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Other Musical Equipment => General Discussion => Topic started by: Addam on October 12, 2009, 03:19:18 pm
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So I'm looking to get a fuzz pedal. I play in a sludge(others might call it something different) band and right now we use just our amp distortion and it sounds pretty good, if I do say so myself. As with most sludge we play a good amount of slow heavy riffs, but at times we play stuff that is pretty fast. I've been trying out my friend's Big Muff Pi (with Tone Wicker). I haven't gotten to indepth with it as of yet since I just got it from him yesterday. Anyways, how do you guys think fuzz pedals sound when bands use them to play more up tempo stuff? Does it just sound too muddy or what? Any experience with stuff like this?
(Edit)- Also, I forgot to mention that we need a fairly decent amount of clarity for both of the guitars because we harmonize alot of chords. I don't know if that will make any difference, but I figured I add it just incase.
Thanks
Addam
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mann if you cant get clarity w/ the muff-something is upp!
wott amp(s) are you using?
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Don't get me wrong, from the tiny bit of playing with it that I did it was clear, but I'm talking about clarity of chords at a pretty fast tempo.
For this band I'm using a Hughes and Kettner Warp head.
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I like rat pedals a lot, Also there are these pedals buy Way Huge I was at a music shop and I tried the fat sandwich that pedal was awesome I was playing some slow, heavy riffage and i thought it sounded similar to the melvin playing their sludge.it seem like you can do a lot with that fuzz pedal to shape your tone. the only thing stopping me from buying it was the price. they wanted 179$ for it I guess if I had the cash I would have picked it up. Then again I have my rat. Both would be great for the fast stuff, in my opinion.
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the big muff doesn't exactly work in terms of clarity if you're are playing at an any faster than slow motion tempo.
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the big muff doesn't exactly work in terms of clarity if you're are playing at an any faster than slow motion tempo.
Ya, I've been looking into Keeley Fuzz Heads as of lately. I hear they have quite a bit of clarity where as Muffs are more on the bass heavy side. Also, there are so many option that can be altered on the Fuzz Head.
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A muff is fine if you roll back the sustain and turn the tone knob forward, but then you lose(what I find to be) the 'sound' of the Muff.
The Rat is probably your best bet. Really solid little pedal, and even though there are a variety of them from over the years, you won't be disappointed by any of the standard Rat pedals. I do find I prefer my 80's Rat compared to my more modern one, but if you can get one for $60 instead of close to triple that, go for it! If you can find one without an LED, hop on it, and I don't think you'll be disappointed.
How are you finding the Warp? I had one very briefly, and found the clean channel to be fantastic, but the distortion was a little too bland. Not a terrible head, for what it is, though.
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Actually, I love my Warp head. The clean channel, as you said, is fantasic. As for the distortion, I really like it as well. I have both a Warp X(newest model) and a Warp T(older model) and both distortions are really.... "crushing", for lack of a better word.
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Man, all i can say is, check out the OXFUZZ. Its made by Ken of Sons of Otis. Beautiful pedal. Heavy, thick fuzz, but its very clear. You can still hear that woody sound of your guitar. Amazing. I have a ton of fuzz pedals (muff, Rat, Boss pedals, too many to list) and the Oxfuzz is by far the best. We also play heavy slow doom with moments of speed and clerity and the Oxfuzz is seriously amazing. My rig goes back and forth between a 70's Sunn Model T and a Matamp GTO120. Works great with either.
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I just picked up a pedal by Brian Wampler. http://www.wamplerpedals.com/home
check them out. very transparent pedals. may be what you are looking for. I got a special edition one for breast cancer. it's pink. my daughters love it. goes from bluesy to snarly. lots of gain and sustain. it's an overdrive but he has fuzz too. this particular pedal alows me to hear the Sunn amp and tele guitar. never really noticed that with any other pedals I've had.
this is just my opinion, I'm not trying to sell anything or sell for Wampler pedals, I'm happy with it. first distortion I've been happy with.
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Actually, I love my Warp head. The clean channel, as you said, is fantasic. As for the distortion, I really like it as well. I have both a Warp X(newest model) and a Warp T(older model) and both distortions are really.... "crushing", for lack of a better word.
I did find that the Warp head didn't really love pedals so much. I mean, maybe it's a SS vs. tube thing, but I just found it a bit sterile when I played the rat through it. But 'crushing' is the appropriate term for that distortion. I almost miss that head!
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The only pedal I run through it as of right now is a delay.
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i'll third or forth the Rat and i'll suggest the D*A*M Meathead. they are pricey but they are brutal! i also like the Ibanez FZ7. they are way bad ass for what they cost. it was the best $25 i spent in a long while.
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what tuning are you in?
if youre below B i would suggest a bass muff in conjuntion with an EQ pedal (EHX 10 band eq is by far my fav)
if youre above B i would suggest a subdecay F bomb. that pedal will keep riffs tight while pourin on the fuzz.
also if you dont have one get an eq pedal. you would be amazed at how awesome your existing rig will sound with just a few tweeks with one.
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B standard. I'm assuming go with "below B", yes?
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personally id go with the subdecay F bomb. its a really super tight fuzz and its a very modern voiced fuzz.
and its $109 new so its not horridly priced.
you dont wanna drop $300 into your first fuzz only to realize theyre not for you.
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i play guitar in a doom band and it varies from slow to fast, as well. i use a RUSSIAN made big muff pi. IMO this is the only EHX muff that you can buy new and get that classic sustainer sound and maintain clarity. the new american big muffs suck - they are nothing like the older generations. again, in my opinion. if you want to get closer to the sound of an older russian muff, try looking at the little big muff. this is just my advice for trying to get that sludgy tone with stuff that's relatively easy to find. the rat pedal is great, too. but, i personally don't favor it. i have all these pedals and i really only use the russian muff for my rhythm playing and an EQ boost for solos. the little big muff has great sustain, but is a little too hot for my liking.
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i play guitar in a doom band and it varies from slow to fast, as well. i use a RUSSIAN made big muff pi. IMO this is the only EHX muff that you can buy new and get that classic sustainer sound and maintain clarity. the new american big muffs suck - they are nothing like the older generations. again, in my opinion. if you want to get closer to the sound of an older russian muff, try looking at the little big muff. this is just my advice for trying to get that sludgy tone with stuff that's relatively easy to find. the rat pedal is great, too. but, i personally don't favor it. i have all these pedals and i really only use the russian muff for my rhythm playing and an EQ boost for solos. the little big muff has great sustain, but is a little too hot for my liking.
i also tune to A flat, so that has to be taken into consideration when dealing with an analog/bypass circuitry fuzz pedal or sustainer, not a straight distortion pedal. i see that you are tuning to B, same thing you need to think about.
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granted I'm a bass player, but, I do end up jamming doom metal with guitar every now and then (electric wizard, cult of Luna, braveyoung/giant, jesu type stuff). Big muff just don't get there looses clarity. I got a custom mod. Russian muff that dose pretty well. But by far the sickest fuzz I have messed with is the one I use as a sans amp for my bass, the Zvex Woolly Mammoth. main bummer is that those pedals run about $350, but its worth every penny.
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Wren and cuff pickle pie hella fuzz. The bass version is killer and a bulit like a tank. Haven't heard the regular pie inperson but the one for bass is awesome.
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I just bought a Monsterpiece NPN Fuzz recently from a forum member off of The Gear Page. I haven't received yet, but there are some cool video clips of the pedal in action from the creator. I'm not certain how to get in touch with the guy who makes these, but they seem to turn up on Ebay and music forum classifieds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0SU90yyZ3s (With humbucker guitar)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2e7guM5OKI (With single coil guitar)
HC Form thread on Monsterpiece: http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?t=1778565
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what tuning are you in?
if youre below B i would suggest a bass muff in conjuntion with an EQ pedal (EHX 10 band eq is by far my fav)
also if you dont have one get an eq pedal. you would be amazed at how awesome your existing rig will sound with just a few tweeks with one.
Interesting thread! i play sludge stoner too
the best fuzz I've found to mate with my Sonaro in 2 1x15 and my baritone lespaul in B standard is the Bass Big Muff with bass boost and tone at 10-11 o'clock. every time I get amaze by the tone and for a 100$ it's all good.
I also use the BigMuffPi Tone Wicker with bypass tone control going trough a Graphic Fuzz to tweak it get something pretty good from my Solarus, I use Graphic Fuzz overdrive for a low boost drive and I add the Wicker to it for an over the top fuzz...
I also tried the BYOC Mighty Mouse instead of my Tone Wicker, you have 3 rat versions and 3 tube screamer in one for around 100$, it can cover pretty much all the best of those two pedal...but I finally got back to the Tone Wicker for a more sludgy nasty tone... :evil:
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I would recommend a Marshall Jackhammer. Check out youtube for demos. I ran oneof these in front of my JCM 900 Dual Reverb half stack and loved it. That was a mean nasty rig. But I gotta admit I'm more of a metal head than a stoner sludge guy. :)
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I just bought two 5 O'clock Charlie pedals from Pedalworx, and they're stunning. They're being billed as a "tuned Rat clone," but, as the review below mentions, they sound more like a cross between a vintage Rat and a Big Muff. For what it's worth, the pedal is made with the the original NOS LM308 chip that gave the vintage Rat such a great sound. The marketing materials boast that the pedal has more gain than you'll ever need, and, for once, the marketing gimmick is actually TRUE! It has more gain and low end than any guitar pedal I've ever heard. It's dangeroulsy powerful!
A quick excerpt from the review: "The Charlie screams stoner metal and is perfect for sludgy riffing, à la Weedeater, Boris and Eyehategod. If fat, gravy-soaked Southern Metal tones are your thing, look no further than the 5 O’clock Charlie."
Check out the full review. It's halfway down the page: https://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/2009/Nov/Stomping_Grounds_25_Pedals_Reviewed.aspx?Page=7
Doom on, doom on!
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I just bought two 5 O'clock Charlie pedals from Pedalworx, and they're stunning. They're being billed as a "tuned Rat clone," but, as the review below mentions, they sound more like a cross between a vintage Rat and a Big Muff. For what it's worth, the pedal is made with the the original NOS LM308 chip that gave the vintage Rat such a great sound. The marketing materials boast that the pedal has more gain than you'll ever need, and, for once, the marketing gimmick is actually TRUE! It has more gain and low end than any guitar pedal I've ever heard. It's dangeroulsy powerful!
A quick excerpt from the review: "The Charlie screams stoner metal and is perfect for sludgy riffing, à la Weedeater, Boris and Eyehategod. If fat, gravy-soaked Southern Metal tones are your thing, look no further than the 5 O’clock Charlie."
Check out the full review. It's halfway down the page: https://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/2009/Nov/Stomping_Grounds_25_Pedals_Reviewed.aspx?Page=7
Doom on, doom on!
Wow! that pedal looks sweet! thanks for the info.
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D*A*M Meat Head Dark or Deluxe...sounds sweet...! but super rare and super $$$...maybe later...!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxxTkZIx8WQ
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just received my Meathead clone in the mail today! with a bonus Sonic Titan clone...A-M-A-Z-I-N-G even in my DAW but I just can't wait to do a 1st try out tonight or tomorrow on the Sunns...! looks okay for fast tempo too...
these are custom clone so I ask for an extra switch to get standard mode and dark mode in the same box!
(http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt27/epoirier21/Meatheadclone.jpg)
Sonic Titan clone from the 2007 version:
(http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt27/epoirier21/SonicTitanclone.jpg)
for now here are my 1st clips of it in my DAW...see description for settings:
meathead clip:
http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=9938979
sonic titan clip:
http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=9938979
and the price, 1/3 of a real Meathead or Sonic Titan! 80euro each!
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I use a Blackout Effectors Musket Fuzz for bass and guitar. From what I've heard it's a Big Muff clone with some extra features.
Especially the focus knob makes this one interesting since it can clean up the sound a lot and that way it's leaning more towards a OD which for bass is pretty nice..
(http://70.32.95.50/videos/blackout-musket-vtwo-rev.jpg)
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I use a Blackout Effectors Musket Fuzz for bass and guitar. From what I've heard it's a Big Muff clone with some extra features.
Especially the focus knob makes this one interesting since it can clean up the sound a lot and that way it's leaning more towards a OD which for bass is pretty nice..
(http://70.32.95.50/videos/blackout-musket-vtwo-rev.jpg)
looks good, big muff with more control.
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I just did a Sonic Titan vs Meathead shoot out all afternoon yesterday...
Meathead in dark setting, heaviest fuzz I've ever eard, good for slow tempo stuff. you can certainly use it on bass...!
Sonic Titan, more OD, excellent all-around heavy tube-amp driver, excellent for fast tempo stuff and slow, would be awesome on bass too!
now I have to re-build my board to use one for slow part and the other for fast parts... :-P
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creepy fingers effects(fu manchu bassist) hand built clones of many hard to find pedals i have the harakiri fuzz(super fuzz clone) and the doomidrive(univox unidrive clone) and was the best money i ever spent i have a earthbound super collider beast on order now muff is over rated and the nex ehx stuff is junk anyway
i also use a homemade clone of a 1966 germanium fuzzface that i would kill over.
if you look on you tube there is a doomidrive demo on there as well as a buzz around(ampeg scrambler clone) and there are vids on the earthbound super collider.
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My favorite Fuzz pedals for my Sunns:
Malekko Fuzz, EHX Green Big Muff, EHX Big Muff with Tone Bypass, Earthquaker Devices Hoof, and the Skreddy Pink Flesh.
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i gotta unbelievable live recording w/ my way huge swollen pickle thru my orange tiny terror thru a 12" celestion!
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anybody tried the Death By Audio Fuzz War on bass or guitar?
seems like an awesome heavy fuzz for bass or guitar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESevU8aD6bM&feature=related
their's one for sale in the local adds, it's really tempting so I've contact the seller.
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anybody tried the Death By Audio Fuzz War on bass or guitar?
seems like an awesome heavy fuzz for bass or guitar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESevU8aD6bM&feature=related
their's one for sale in the local adds, it's really tempting so I've contact the seller.
I bought one for a friend of mine.
The shape knob is awesome and you can get a lot of sounds by tweaking.. Did I mentioned that the pedal is LOUD??? REAL loud...
I had it about at 10oclock and the volume was way more than my usual sound. If the price is right, I would say go for it Chev. (I found it here in Greece at about 70euros).
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anybody tried the Death By Audio Fuzz War on bass or guitar?
seems like an awesome heavy fuzz for bass or guitar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESevU8aD6bM&feature=related
their's one for sale in the local adds, it's really tempting so I've contact the seller.
I bought one for a friend of mine.
The shape knob is awesome and you can get a lot of sounds by tweaking.. Did I mentioned that the pedal is
LOUD??? REAL loud...
I had it about at 10oclock and the volume was way more than my usual sound. If the price is right, I would
say go for it Chev. (I found it here in Greece at about 70euros).
Sounds cool yeah it looks really tweakable but here it sell for 199$ CAD new so the guy is asking 160$, I'm trying to get it for 120$. I so want to ear that in my Model t !
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Any bass players try the Monolith fuzz pedal? I think it's called Lodestone.
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ok finally got the Fuzz War!
I've tried it for a quick 20min and it's definitly taking the 1st place for the heaviest fuzz out there!
that thing must kill on bass! will try that tomorrow...
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i have: megalith-bluebeard-fuzz war-super collider-80s bigmuffs-80s rats-etc. they all move in & out of my rig-like the ebb & flow of the tides. my '85 rat gets the most use w/ my wall of Ts
http://stanosaur.com/
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i have: megalith-bluebeard-fuzz war-super collider-80s bigmuffs-80s rats-etc. they all move in & out of my rig-like the ebb & flow of the tides. my '85 rat gets the most use w/ my wall of Ts
http://stanosaur.com/
I guess I'll have to try my BYOC Mighty Mouse with the T, it has 3 versions of Rat in it...
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I'm here to tell you-there is some kinda mojo w/ the LM308 and the Model T. nothing else sounds like it-and its as powerful and toneful as it gets imo
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I'm here to tell you-there is some kinda mojo w/ the LM308 and the Model T. nothing else sounds like it-and its as powerful and toneful as it gets imo
cool, I was going to say, it's the real LM308 inside that BYOC so I definitely have to try it! :-D
another good reason to keep that pedal. I've announced it but never get to sell it? so I'll hold on to it for now.
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Any bass players try the Monolith fuzz pedal? I think it's called Lodestone.
I've got a Monolith Lodestone that I use for bass. It's a pretty epic pedal, based on a darlington pair circuit. It makes small amps sound huge, and produces a very thick sound with lots of gain. You can dial it down for conventional fuzz sounds, but it can produce some downright filth too. Also worth noting is that it's 100% hand made... and I mean the case is cut by hand from sheet metal and pieces of recycled wood. Even the circuit boards are made from scratch. It's not just a circuit in a decorated hammond box, it's a very cool piece of work all the way around. The Lodestone is the only fuzz I own, so take that for whatever it's worth.
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Thanks for the review!
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i have: megalith-bluebeard-fuzz war-super collider-80s bigmuffs-80s rats-etc. they all move in & out of my rig-like the ebb & flow of the tides. my '85 rat gets the most use w/ my wall of Ts
http://stanosaur.com/
I guess I'll have to try my BYOC Mighty Mouse with the T, it has 3 versions of Rat in it...
Which version do you have? I actually just saw Young Widows the other night, and the bassist had a Rat clone with some extra pots and switches. Sounded amazing, too. I was thinking about investing in a clone as a back-up.
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i have: megalith-bluebeard-fuzz war-super collider-80s bigmuffs-80s rats-etc. they all move in & out of my rig-like the ebb & flow of the tides. my '85 rat gets the most use w/ my wall of Ts
http://stanosaur.com/
I guess I'll have to try my BYOC Mighty Mouse with the T, it has 3 versions of Rat in it...
Which version do you have? I actually just saw Young Widows the other night, and the bassist had a Rat clone with some extra pots and switches. Sounded amazing, too. I was thinking about investing in a clone as a back-up.
I think it's like having vintage Rat, turbo Rat, modern Rat and maybe 3 tube screamer OD too.
here's the description:
Rat clones are quickly becoming the new "it" distortion pedal of the boutique world. The circuit is easy
to modify, has a huge range of distortion tones, and just sounds really good. The BYOC mouse kit has
a 6-way clipping rotary switch that makes it one of the most versatile overdrive/distortion pedals around.
Position 1: "Vintage" Symmetrical Distortion
Position 2: "Turbo" Distortion
Position 3: Asymmetrical Distortion
Position 4: Symmetrical O.D.
Position 5: Asymmetrical O.D.
Position 6: MOSFET O.D.
And the BYOC Mouse kit comes with a real LM308 chip just like the original big box RATs, not some
"work-a-like" chip, so it has the vintage tone you'd expect. If you want one pedal that covers everything
from vintage distortion to boutique overdrive....the BYOC mouse has got it covered.
http://www.buildyourownclone.com/mouse.html
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i have: megalith-bluebeard-fuzz war-super collider-80s bigmuffs-80s rats-etc. they all move in & out of my rig-like the ebb & flow of the tides. my '85 rat gets the most use w/ my wall of Ts
http://stanosaur.com/
I guess I'll have to try my BYOC Mighty Mouse with the T, it has 3 versions of Rat in it...
Which version do you have? I actually just saw Young Widows the other night, and the bassist had a Rat clone with some extra pots and switches. Sounded amazing, too. I was thinking about investing in a clone as a back-up.
That's the Fuzzrocious Rat Tail
http://www.effectsdatabase.com/model/fuzzrocious/rattail
They're coming back soon.
http://www.fuzzrociouspedals.com/
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That's the Fuzzrocious Rat Tail
http://www.effectsdatabase.com/model/fuzzrocious/rattail
They're coming back soon.
http://www.fuzzrociouspedals.com/
AMAZING! Dude, you made my day! Now, to score one.
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awesome, its one gnarly sounding pedal.
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I finally had a chance to have a test run of the fuzzwar with bass in front of the beta bass / coliseum slave, kick ass heavy fuzz and no lost in the low end and some extra sustain, amazing!
Much better then the bass big muff.
So I went back to my Meathead clone for my fuzz tone on guitar, it opens up the Model T so good!
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I've gotten further and further away from using fuzz on bass for a while now but I really want to try the Interstellar Overdriver they have.
But sadly, every overdrive or dirt pedal I try never stays on my board for long. My RAT has won against more expensive & modern boutique pedals.
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D*A*M stomp boxes FTW! David A. Main is a fuzz genious - it's not only a hype. For stoner stuff Meathead would be the best choice (during the last Kyuss tour the guitar player was using one).
I've got a Monolith Lodestone that I use for bass. It's a pretty epic pedal, based on a darlington pair circuit.
Hmm, I thought it's a anoter Big Muff clone. What is a darlington?
I'm very curoius about left side of Tectonic Shift. Looks like bottom heavy Super Fuzz variant.
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a muff is a muff. deep fuzz but a little muddy and not a lot of sonic diversity. lodestone can dial in highs that are more musical, without losing the lows as much. it'll do muff sounds but its got more diversity, backs off more naturally, and can get a lot gnarlier. it's all subjective i suppose but i think it's a better sounding pedal.
darlington pair = high gain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darlington_transistor
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Old Muffs are great on guitar, but I don't really dig them on bass. I'm really curious about Tectonic Shift. I've been waiting for some sort of Super Fuzz or Ace Tone FM-2 for bass for quite a while. Something like a Verellen Big Spider, but better ;)
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Try out a pedal by Belcat called Fuzz.
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I ordered little fuzzy thing from Wade few days ago. Can't wait :evil:
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just got me a buzzmaster its a super heavy fuzz great for doom or stoner
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I ordered little fuzzy thing from Wade few days ago. Can't wait :evil:
Nice! Which one did you get? I'll be in Portland at the end of the month and I'm hoping to meet up with Wade and get a first hand look at the rest of his stuff.
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the one i got is a jack deville buzz master
on a seperate deal here anyone ever used the monollith dual fuzz pedal? any thoughts on the sound ?