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Sunn Musical Equipment => DIY => Topic started by: fithers on March 30, 2011, 06:45:30 am
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hey dudes,
my dad and i are going to build a sunn cab and we are almost ready to get started. I'm wondering if you guys have any thoughts on going smaller and building the 200 or taking the extra few inches and building the 2000s? the thing is i live in nyc and am gonna have to haul the beast around with my coliseum 300 head.
A smaller package would be better for me physically but i can't help shake the voice saying "might as well jump"
anyone have experience with both?
i play in bands like this
http://www.myspace.com/snotrags69420
http://www.myspace.com/srirachashits
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IMHO it doesn't really matter that much. I've owned both (with their respective heads) and I'd say the sound difference was more down to the head. The 2000s can sound a bit different than a 200s but again, I'd think that has more to do with the head. Since you're gonna be mixing and matching heads, diy cabs with non-original speakers etc. I'd go for the smaller of the two cabinets.
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right on thanks man, kinda what im thinking
i think we're going to use a pair of eminence legend CB15s
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I play both, and only rarely do I gig a 2000S cab. Those "extra few inches" you mention make a bunch of difference when it's time to move it around, the 200S isn't exactly a small cab but is a lot easier to move. Most people can pick up a 200S for loading, steps, etc. while a 2000S is usually a two man job; steps, doorways, vehicles, etc. are all a challenge because of it's size.
This pic gives some idea about the difference those few inches make;
(http://i626.photobucket.com/albums/tt341/EdBass/Sunn2000S200S.jpg)
Sonically, the cabs are different; even with the same drivers, a 2000S cab sounds bigger than a 200S cab. If it were an all out volume issue I would use the 2000S but for most gig scenarios the 200S (or 215S) makes more sense for me, although it it a blast to play through a full 2000S rig.
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awesome man that thing is enormous!
any opinions on front vs. rear loading the speakers? leaning towards front-loading with a fixed back for added strength.
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also, can anyone pm me conrad's contact info? i would like to get the actual plans if possible
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Wow, I'd never seen a 2000S and a 200S right next to each other like that. Makes the 200S look downright puny!
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You can contact Conrad through his website;
http://www.conradamps.com/www.conradamps.com/Welcome.html
I think he sells the plans for Sunn cabs, member D.M.N. bought the plans for a 2000S and built one, it looks and works great.
Front loading the speakers is an exceptionally good idea IMO, taking off and replacing the back on an old Sunn cab is a real pain, even with a power driver.
You also eliminate a potential air leak source. Be sure to allow clearance for mounting the grill cloth though.
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Wow, I'd never seen a 2000S and a 200S right next to each other like that. Makes the 200S look downright puny!
Yeah, the differencec in actual dimensions doesn't convey the real world difference between them. As I said, I rarely take 2000S cabs out, and I'm not just a wimp; the logistical problems when moving the cabs is pretty sizeable, particularly if you are gigging regularly. IMO, a tilt back, towel bar SVT 8X10 'fridge is a walk in the park compared to schlepping 2000S cabs around.
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we're going with the 200s for sure. i think we're going to keep the back panel removable so i can tolex without a seam, unless you guys have any tips for that? This will be my first attempt.
we're going to make some modifications to the handle and caster system
instead of four casters on the floor we are going to use two of these on the back bottom
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31l0d5czX%2BL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
two of these handles on the top of the back to move it around like a hand truck
(http://www.parts-express.com/images/item_standard/262-820_s.jpg)
and four of these handles, one on each side and two on the bottom for two-man carry scenarios
(http://www.parts-express.com/images/item_standard/262-821_s.jpg)
i'm leaning towards this grill cloth, black and gold is my jam
(http://www.mojotone.com/core/media/media.nl/id.7426/c.923962/.f?h=18fe7290736d7559bb8a)
and this tolex
(http://www.mojotone.com/core/media/media.nl?id=30135&c=923962&h=7e10e263277fc97fbdb8)
whadda you think?
should be getting started on cutting wood tonight.
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Pretty fancy! I can see why you wouldn't want to try to line of a seam in that tolex...
Good luck, and keep us posted, a lot of us love the DIY stuff.
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Yeah, I built a 2000s cab last summer with my old man, and we're probably going to do another one coming up pretty soon (spring/beginning of summer). I went ahead and did the 2000s partially because....well, what the hell, why not? It's big and impressive and awesome. I also chose the 2000s design because I A) planned on getting a 2000s amp (which I now have), and B) my Bassman 300 wouldn't have fit on top of a 200s cab. We bought the plans from Conrad and they also came with a parts sheet. Beware, though, that there's a few discrepancies, so my cab actually came out at 30.5 or 31" across. It's not that much of a difference really, just confusing. Ask away if you come across it, I can't remember exactly what it is at the moment. I backloaded my cabinet, as per Conrad's instructions and the original cabs, but it's kind of a personal choice, doesn't really matter either way. I like the mods you're going with, and I'll be honest, I though about those type of casters myself. HOWEVER, you'll probably have to make some design mods to the plans, as the back panel of the cabinet goes all the way down to the bottom, and you'd need to shorten that panel and make the part of the lower back non-removable to use those. I also seriously considered that paisley tolex, and marshall grill. However, I'll eventually go the traditional Sunn route so that it matches my 2000s and will match my redressed Bassman 300. As it is now, I've stained it in a deep walnut, and bought an American flag from the hardware store to use as a grill. Here's a tip: if you can get ahold of a Festool, it will make your life 5000x easier. We laid out, checked our measurements, and ripped all the pieces of the cab in an hour and a half. Piecing it all together probably took 45 minutes, and then it set for a good 6 hours. It's a really simple cab design, fun if you're just getting into it. Any questions, feel free to ask. Here's a few shots of mine:
Cutting speaker holes.
(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/20842_10150215304115333_549385332_13193798_1270538_n.jpg)
(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/20842_10150215304130333_549385332_13193801_7716949_n.jpg)
In action
(http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/61821_430910086316_574841316_5193116_2850559_n.jpg)
With 2000s.
(http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac202/DMaynardNelson/Sunn%202000s/SSISbene019.jpg?t=1301534239)
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awesome man that wood with the flag looks great. didn't even think about the back with those casters and handles, shit gonna have to come up with something. thanks for the tip.
Here's most of her from last night
(http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lixfzclPhO1qztzdbo1_500.jpg)
that's the 22' alaskan skiff he's been building in the background
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Man that was quick! I assume you've been reading Greg_M's project thread;
http://sunn.ampage.org/sdp/index.php/topic,5669.0.html
If not, I'll bet you can come up with some great hints there.
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haha yeah incredibly quick, he's all "no big deal" about it. Shows what an engineer from purdue can do. and ed, thats the thread that made all of this seem practical!
so i think im just going to get black tolex. i've always liked the marshall stuff, but mostly just looking for tough-as-nails. any suggestions? i'm not going for the original look, that's all in the guts.
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haha yeah incredibly quick, he's all "no big deal" about it. Shows what an engineer from purdue can do. and ed, thats the thread that made all of this seem practical!
so i think im just going to get black tolex. i've always liked the marshall stuff, but mostly just looking for tough-as-nails. any suggestions? i'm not going for the original look, that's all in the guts.
ASC's "Nubtex" is pretty durable. Mojo carries it as "Mojotone Rough Black Tolex".
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cool thanks man, will check it out. leaning towards the marshall elephant
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how much tolex do you think i'll need?
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Hey man, not to seem like a downer here, but if you got those plans from Conrad, and paid for them, it's probably not for the best to be giving them out for free. I was asked not to hand out my plans. If you found them for free on the net, then Freaking awesome! Good to see them.
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sorry, no piracy intended. we've had zero contact with conrad sundholm and all of the build information was acquired through reading this very forum. consider the plans removed.
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pop with the side handles installed
(http://i863.photobucket.com/albums/ab191/fizzzzz/812-1.jpg)
he april fools'd me this morning and told me dropped a screwdriver and punctured one of the cones
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he april fools'd me this morning and told me dropped a screwdriver and punctured one of the cones
That.......would have really sucked. Good April Fool's though! BTW, What speakers will you be putting in there? (Maybe you mentioned it and I'm just being dunce-y).
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eminence legend CB15s
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any of you guys have any experience with spray on truck-bed liner? been talking to my friend who builds cabs and swears by it. sounds easier, stronger, and cleaner to work with than doing tolex.
something like this
http://www.linex.com/pages/2010/bedliners/
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sorry, no piracy intended. we've had zero contact with conrad sundholm and all of the build information was acquired through reading this very forum. consider the plans removed.
If those were your plans, I think it's OK to post them. I think what the concern is if you were posting the actual plans that Mr. Sundholm was selling, which would be very uncool.
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nope, they were home-made. i re-uploaded our plans if anyone wants them. Like i said, these were made with information readily available on this very forum without any contact with conrad sundholm whatsoever.
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any of you guys have any experience with spray on truck-bed liner? been talking to my friend who builds cabs and swears by it. sounds easier, stronger, and cleaner to work with than doing tolex.
something like this
http://www.linex.com/pages/2010/bedliners/
I thought about that stuff when I was about to do my cabinet.
I guess it would depend on the talent of the guy that was shooting the cabinet. It kind of reminds me of dry wall texture, except of course more industrial.
Not sure if you could shoot it in parts or if that would make seams. I guess you could rig up some kind of big axle that would allow the entire cabinet to be shot in one continuous spray while it was being rotated. The axle would have to be fixed to the inside of the cabinet so you could get all exposed sides.
If you could use that stuff, you could glue the back on and front mount the speakers.
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we got some black herculiner that rolls on, he's using the same stuff for the boat's deck. i understand conrad sundholm has built a few boats.
http://www.herculiner.com/
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Here she is fellas, finished and ready to roll.
total workhorse
(http://i863.photobucket.com/albums/ab191/fizzzzz/FrontView1.jpg)
(http://i863.photobucket.com/albums/ab191/fizzzzz/DSC_0011.jpg)
(http://i863.photobucket.com/albums/ab191/fizzzzz/DSC_0012.jpg)
(http://i863.photobucket.com/albums/ab191/fizzzzz/DSC_0005.jpg)
(http://i863.photobucket.com/albums/ab191/fizzzzz/BackView.jpg)
i attached the final design .pdf as well
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Nice, I 've built a few cabs , racks etc in my time so I know how involved it can be.
Nice touch on the input jack in the handle easy to get to if ya need to rewire etc.
Skid runners - a good one.
I have done numerous joint styles even routing recessed dado's which seems to be the strongest with glue and a few screws.
All in all a good job.and it helps to have the right tools !
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home sweet home
(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljyrfkauWF1qztzdbo1_500.jpg)
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NICE WORK!
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Very clean. I like the modifications you did to the design to modernise it.
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yo fellas! so after playing her for a few months here's my review: THICK AND WARM
this thing is a beast with my coliseum and i've been plugging it into a little 10" pignose tube amp to play guitar through too, sounds awesome and is great for a fuzz out. Glad I went with a 2x15 over anything else. the sound is huge without farting out and i've been playing it everyday. make one guys!
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Where did you get that grille cloth? It looks great! Nice job....
Greg
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A bit like the Bergantino. Nice work!
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Very nice, well done! :)
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My son, Fithers, has been playing the 200S reproduction cab that I built for the past few years. It has worked out well in all respects.
I recently put together a 210 for him for an upcoming road gig. He reports that it sounds excellent.
Enjoy the attached plans for both, I have included a simulation from WinISD on the frequency response in each one.
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Where did you get that grille cloth? It looks great! Nice job....
Greg
i also want to know where he got the gold grill cloth. anyone recognise it?