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Sunn Musical Equipment => Q & A => Topic started by: mc2 on October 22, 2006, 11:42:29 am
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How about everyone posting NEW pics of their Sunn gear? (I noticed the other pictures thread is waaay old and most of the links to pics are dead.)
Here's part (around half) of mine (ignore the 8-string basses) :)
(http://home.earthlink.net/~mc2/images/NINEeightsWeb.jpg)
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whoa!
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Here's part (around half) of mine
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I really need to shoot a pic with ALL my SUNN stuff...couldn't do it in that room. The coolest pieces in that shot are the top left head (Leslie West's prototype Sunn Colliseum Model T built on a 1200S chasis with Model T control layout and a master volume) and the rig at the right (one of the original Sunn heads with the top controls and it's matching 2x15 cab.) It looks like it came out of the showroom yesterday, even the handle is still intact. It's also one of the few "transition" ones that has the later non-Smiley Sunn logos and regular non-paisley tolex. I believe they only made a handful like this, as most had the smiley logos and paisley tolex.
BTW...those are all Hamer 8-strings. The cooelst one in the TBird one-off. You might recognize it from some Cheap Trick videos or live Concrete Blonde videos.
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so...do these great things get played?
or do you just sit and gaze(d)?
sorry i was tryin to rhyme
s
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you ruined this thread already. no one will want to post any pictures after that one. nice collection though. damn.
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so...do these great things get played?
I've used Sunn for nearly everything I've done live or in the studio...except for a brief moment of insanity when I sold my original 2000S rig thinking it was too heavy. Got an SWR rig for portability but it wasn't the same. Ended up in Sunn withdrawal and decided I HAD to have it back...and a backup.
So....I don't really use the biggest ones much at the moment. I mainly use the 200S and the Sonic I-40, with their correct bottoms for nornal 4- or 5-string playing. I also play a lot of 8- and 12-string bass and for those I split the signal with an A/B box and run my lows to one of the above (2000S, 200S, I-40...depending on the gig) and the highs go to the respective Sunn guitar setup (1200S w/6x12, 100S w/smaller 6x12 or 6x10, Spectrum II w/ 2x12 or 4x12.)
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::drools::
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can you go into detail about the leslie west one a bit more? were there others. that's the next sunn i want. a leslie west one, Colliseum pa. so rad. what tubes are you running with it. anymore pics? sorry. just never seen that one and it intrigues me so much.
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can you go into detail about the leslie west one a bit more? were there others. that's the next sunn i want. a leslie west one, Colliseum pa. so rad. what tubes are you running with it. anymore pics? sorry. just never seen that one and it intrigues me so much.
Well...hate to bum you out but I'm pretty sure this is the ONLY "Coliseum Model T" on the planet. I shot a closer pic for you. The controls from left to right are: Brite, Normal, Bass, Mid, Treble, Presence and then a big honkin' Master knob smack dab in the middle of the Sunn emblem!! You can see that it's the size of an early 1200S/2000S head. I also uses four 6550 power tubes. The outputs are originally labeled as 16 and 8 Ohms but it was later changed to 8 and 4 Ohms and was hand labeled as such when I got it with the matching Sunn 4x12 bottom. The front label is definitely a factory one over whatever was originally on the head, like Sunn did in the early 70s over some of the tube heads when they changed some of the model names to the "190B" and such. What is sort of funny is that the T was handwritten at the factory and has quote marks around it (as in "T") so I wonder what it really stood for originally? I'm guessing that since it has the rough cntrol layout of the Model T that eventually went into production but was based on the four 6550 of the Coliseum P.A. head, that that's how they came up with the name on it...like it was to be a second generation of the Coliseum P.A. head more tailored to guitarists who were using that P.A. head for their instrument amp. This is only my guess. Would love to hear from someone who was there at Sunn and really knows the scoop on this.
This is totally different from the Coliseum P.A. heads that also used four 6550 power tubes. They had four indiviual channels, each with a voulme control and input and it was all crammed into the smaller Sunn chasis and case of a Solarus/200S/etc.....but at least you have a chance of finding one of those.
(http://home.earthlink.net/~mc2/images/SUNNColiseumModelTWeb.jpg)
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thanks for the reply. that sure is one sweet head. "drools"
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Ignore the 8 string bases?hard to do!
Dumb question but do you have a 2000S cab in your collection?
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Hi...Yeah. The Sunn stuff in the photo really is probably only around half my collection. The big cabs, Smiley heads, Sonic I-40 cabs and a lot of other stuff isn't in that shot. I was actually shooting my Hamer 8-strings (I run 8stringbass.com and 12stringbass.com that Bass Player Mag mentioned in it's recent cover story on Tom Petersson) ) at the time and set them up in front of whatever Sunn stuff was behind them. My place is such a mess that i really couldn't stage everything together. I WOULD like to do that before I sell anything else besides the one 2000S head recently.
I "MAY" (not definite) actually be selling a PAIR of 2000S cabs in the next couple of months. I really prefer the early style grill cloth on Sunn stuff and finally was able to put together a clean pair of early 2000S bottoms with the correct speakers this year. I also have clean pair of the later silver rectangle grill pattern 2000S bottoms, which are the ones I might let go of at some point. I've got a few other monster Sunn cabs...(2) 1000S bottoms and a 1200S bottom, each with matching heads.
I may also let go of an early grill style Sonic I-40 cab, loaded with the correct original speaker and in pretty good shape (one very small repaired tear that is hard to even notice unless I tell you to look.) A friend of mine in Hollywood who I trade with has first dibs on it for a name player and has to get back to me.
Part of the reason I stockpiled so much early big Sunn stuff, besides being a longtime users of it, was to use it as the backline in a retro music video shoot on a remake of a song it would be VERY appropriate for....but my longtime guitarist had a serious near fatal accident several years back and things got put on hold.
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sorry to hear about your friend. that is a shame. i hope he's ok.
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I checked out the 8 string site,very cool stuff, especially the Entwhistle collection!
if at any time you decide to sell the 2000 cabs I live close by assuming you are in the L.A. area I would be interested in one, I have an old EB-1 that would like to hear through a full 2000 rig.(Felix)
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Actually, it's a "she"...Ronni Crooks. Amazing player; can play anything from jaz/fusion to funk to metal. If you went to NAMM shows or Frankfurt Music Fair you probably saw her playing at Crate/Dean Markley/Vigier Guitars, etc. or doing clinics. Anyway, freak accident...she stepped off the curb in front of a hospital and got run over by an off-duty NYC cop...the guy knocked her almost 100 feet and actually killed her but they took her right inside the hospital and brought her back!! Was in a coma for weeks and had no short-term memory when she eventually came to. Spent nerly a year in a wheelchair and on a walker. A really horrible thing. About the ony thing that didn't break were her arms and hands. The memory loss was a real problem to overcome...remembered HOW to play and theory but actually could not remember any songs ever played!! Had to relearn. Before the accident she was like a walking music fakebook....knew practically every song on the planet.
The sad part...the NYC police union got their lawyers to buy off the case and the judge came back frpm lunch the first morning and called in the two attorneys (but NOT the jury) and said he decided over lunch that "when you cross a public street, you take the risk of being killed...case dismissed!" I saw online that all files were "ordered destroyed." Nice, huh?
Ironically, the last song we'd released was more of a commercial/pop thing we co-wrote with a friend from Germany titled "Killed By You." It was a curse. It was just starting to roll on MuchMusicTV (now Fuse), was on a four-cut EP with three major artists and we'd just come back from playing in Europe...and WHAM!! I think there's a copy of the song floating around on YouTube.
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I checked out the 8 string site,very cool stuff, especially the Entwhistle collection!
if at any time you decide to sell the 2000 cabs I live close by assuming you are in the L.A. area I would be interested in one, I have an old EB-1 that would like to hear through a full 2000 rig.(Felix)
Thanks! That's MY old Fender Bass VI that was in Entwistle's collection when he died that they auctioned off at Sutherby's. I sold it to him in the mid-80s in NYC. He was one of my major influences, so it was cool he kept it all those years after selling off most of his basses.
I need to do a major update on the 8-string site...I have a pile of photos to add and a few interviews. I finally got around to doing one on the 12-string site in Aug-Sept.
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yo mc2-if ya EVER i mean Ever get rid of those (2) 1000S bottoms w/ out contacting me-
the SunnKing will rattle down on ya.
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well im not afraid to post another picture.
my collection is no where near as good as his, and its all mostly the later red and black sunn stuff.
once i get a few more red and black pieces im going to work on getting a 2000s, and 1200s along with silver grill 2x15, 6x12, and 4x12 stack.
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c154/mattyawesome/SUNNCOLLECTION.jpg)
ive gotten some more things since this picture, a coliseum 300, beta lead, and another 1x18rh. i also have some shitty sunn power amp that doesnt deserve to have a picture taken of it.
i think at the age of 21, ive gotten a pretty good collection.
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<img src="http://disappearer.com/sunn2.jpg">
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(http://disappearer.com/sunn2.jpg)
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Please tell us what cabs they are when you post them. For example, that looks way bigger than the standard 2x15 in the middle. What is it?
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Is the center cab. a 2000S cab? It appears to be empty?
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left to right: model 4, 412sr(empty), 2000s(bottom), 412(top), 412sr (empty), model 4
The 2000s is a 215 cab and IS quite big, but it also does have speakers in it.
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(http://img1.yoxio.com/img/259490.jpg)
Just the Beta Lead is at college. My mixer, GEQ, and power amp are at home.
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here are my two most loved head units (my only two head units for that matter) the sceptre is a 68 i think and the sonic I-40 is a 70. i have no sunn cabs,but i do have a sweet Electric amp innovations 6x12 that i run them through.
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Selling of 2000S Cabs ? I just bought a 2000S Amp!! Please, if you decide to sell give me a crack at them? (pickinatit@comcast.net)
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here are my two most loved head units (my only two head units for that matter) the sceptre is a 68 i think and the sonic I-40 is a 70. i have no sunn cabs,but i do have a sweet Electric amp innovations 6x12 that i run them through.
That is the setup that I have been wanting, roughly. Id like to get a Sceptre or Solarus and run it with my Sorado through an Electric 612.
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Recently moded sunn 1200S head.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/graftedmaplecollector6/100_0211.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/graftedmaplecollector6/100_0212.jpg)
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Recently moded sunn 1200S head.
Looks familiar! I see you went with the Copper Caps and the KT90's.
How's it sound?
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Recently moded sunn 1200S head.
Looks familiar! I see you went with the Copper Caps and the KT90's.
How's it sound?
It's hard to describe, but any half-way decent distortion medal, even the crappy
digitech I'm running through it now sounds IN-CREDIBLE. A true monster when overdriven and the harmonics and
harmonal feedback I get out of this gibson iommi humbucker are unlike anything I've ever heard....anywhere.
Notice the missing can caps? I had a board rated for 800v handmade and installed, then covered with the metal cap
you see in pic 2. Tung-sol 12AT7, good bit of re-wiring and cleaning, and yes four kt-90's. Loves downtuning and I find that
it sustains low deep low notes really well...can't cut it up past 5. The stock effects are kind of lame though and I was
surprised that it doesn't have a built in overdrive, but no matter as I said any crappy dist box sounds like doom itself.
I can only imagine what ratt or big muff is gonna sound like, not to mention a real cab.
The guy said it was rated for 200 watts, but the noticeable volume wouldn't sound that much more
powerful at three decibals...I dunno it does quite abit at 5. My reverb dial is a little noisy.
Thanks for all the advice ed. :-D
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Recently moded sunn 1200S head.
Looks familiar! I see you went with the Copper Caps and the KT90's.
How's it sound?
It's hard to describe, but any half-way decent distortion medal, even the crappy
digitech I'm running through it now sounds IN-CREDIBLE. A true monster when overdriven and the harmonics and
harmonal feedback I get out of this gibson iommi humbucker are unlike anything I've ever heard....anywhere.
Notice the missing can caps? I had a board rated for 800v handmade and installed, then covered with the metal cap
you see in pic 2. Tung-sol 12AT7, good bit of re-wiring and cleaning, and yes four kt-90's. Loves downtuning and I find that
it sustains low deep low notes really well...can't cut it up past 5. The stock effects are kind of lame though and I was
surprised that it doesn't have a built in overdrive, but no matter as I said any crappy dist box sounds like doom itself.
I can only imagine what ratt or big muff is gonna sound like, not to mention a real cab.
The guy said it was rated for 200 watts, but the noticeable volume wouldn't sound that much more
powerful at three decibals...I dunno it does quite abit at 5. My reverb dial is a little noisy.
Thanks for all the advice ed. :-D
Glad it worked out. With your strengthened power supply, a lower gain preamp tube and those hi-fi KT90's it should take your pedals very well indeed. I'm a little surprised you break up at 5 though. You're working your output tubes pretty hard, but the KT90's usually hold up to abuse pretty well. Tube amps, particularly hand wired PTP, all have personalities and your particular circuit may just like "5", or you might be distorting the speakers you're using.
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More than likely the speakers, yes. They can't handle the head too well. lol
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MC2, where are you located? I'd be interested in a 2000S cabinet too if you decide to sell, even an unloaded one as I have some JBL D140F's I can use.
I'll have to put up some pics of my 1970 Sonic 1 that I modified and changed to a 200S. (It was the same as a 200S circuit-wise, but I changed the labelling since the original was faded away. I too used a Copper Cap, but I went with JJ KT88's in the blue glass, and made mods to the amp circuit too, mainly consisting of larger value caps in the power supply, and changed some other things to allow a galactic ground scheme ala Kevin O'Connor's recommendations. Its very quiet now, and performs better than stock for bass.
I'll see if I can post the pics soon.
Greg
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(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g249/bbozak/booka/SLIJe004.jpg)
Beta Lead is mine, bought it - yesterday!
Concert Lead belongs to a friend of mine, his band shares the garage with my band, so the amps are always together, like brothers ;)
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v372/fyie/thereallife.jpg)
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I love all these pics!
I am new here, and posted a pic today Dec 28, 2006 as a new thread. I'm seeking help with history of this equipment. I don't mean to duplicate that post, but this might be the best place for it.
Find that post if you can, it has details.
For this reply though, check this out:
(http://www.wellness-people.com/images/sunn99kb.jpg)
Locate my other post, though, or go to a site I am building (unrelated to Sunn) where I parked the rest of the pics for easy viewing while I figure out what to do.
http://www.wellness-people.com/sunn.html
Martin
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I posted these in the last pic post, but here they are again. I still love it now as I did then.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v292/jamesalvinbarron/sunn2-2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v292/jamesalvinbarron/sunn1-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v292/jamesalvinbarron/sunn-1.jpg)
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Here is mine... (I hope)
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eotpr, what kind of guitar is that? It looks nifty!
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eotpr, what kind of guitar is that? It looks nifty!
So nifty that George Barris used them as inspiration for a car in the mid 60's!
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Rick.heil,
That is a VOX Mark VI they were made in '65-'68. If anyone knows anything about vintage guitars I sure could use some help with this. The Italian made ones are supposed to be sunburst and are valued at around 1300.00. The White ones should be made in England and are the Pete Townsend version and are Valued at 2000.00-3000.00. Mine says it is made in Italy but it is wite so it is an odd duck. It is in pertty much new condition. The car that was posted comes from the Phantom Mark III and Mark VI I think. Pretty cool. I am trying to sell the white one but I don't really know if it is 1300.00 version or the 2000.00-3000.00 version.
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Sweet. I love it, and if I had the money I would SO buy it. Alas, I am a poor college student and have no income.
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What a shame. It sounds great with the Sunn Sceptre.
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Hi all. I'm a newbie and this is my first post here so I might as well show my one and only Sunn head.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a247/jaywalker_/SunnSound007.jpg)
I just finished recapping, new power tubes, biasing and replacing the Normal pot. As soon as the others in the house awaken from their nap I'll get to put it through the paces by cranking it a bit...think I could wake them early :evil:??? I'm missing a red logo so if anyone has one to sell or trade for a white one give me a yell. J.T.
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Rick.heil,
That is a VOX Mark VI they were made in '65-'68. If anyone knows anything about vintage guitars I sure could use some help with this. The Italian made ones are supposed to be sunburst and are valued at around 1300.00. The White ones should be made in England and are the Pete Townsend version and are Valued at 2000.00-3000.00. Mine says it is made in Italy but it is wite so it is an odd duck. It is in pertty much new condition. The car that was posted comes from the Phantom Mark III and Mark VI I think. Pretty cool. I am trying to sell the white one but I don't really know if it is 1300.00 version or the 2000.00-3000.00 version.
ACTUALLY....I believe you are mistaken and the ONLY Vox Townsend ever played was a Vox Cheetah. That one is a Gibson-ish ES335 looking hollowbody, NOT a Teardrop. Townsend actually SMASHED that Vox during a TV appearance, the ONLY time he ever played it. I believe you are thinking of the late Brian Jones, the original guitarist of the Rolling Stones. He was a highly visible user of White Vox Teardrops and there IS actually one version know as the "Brian Jones Model." That one has a number of additional switches to the Mark VI. So, I would say your's is the lasser valued one of the two. I own a regular Mark VI like your's that I found new laying in a store ages ago...still had the original hangtag one it from 1967!! Unfortunately, my house had a roof leak a few year ago in a bedroom closet and the Mark VI got wet and the finish got ruined.
I also have a pair of Vox Teardrop hollowbody 12-strings that have been my main recording 12's for years. Nice wide necks and that Rickenbacker jangle. The most famous recorded Ric 12 sounds done by the Byrds in the 60s were actually Ric 12's with the trebleboost circuit ripped out of a Vox and wired into them by Roger McGuinn!! So the secret to the sound that everyone claims is a Ric is really due to Vox. I've had every Ric 12 player offer to buy my Vos 12's after playing them.
And my main bass for many year was a Vox Teardrop hollowbody, thru a 2000S rig...I had two but one got knocked over on tour and the neck broke. My main one I replaced the PUPs in with DiMarzio Model Ones (they look like old Gibson EBO PUPs.) Gave me a great sound and cool controlled feedback effects when I wanted. The neck was pencil thin though, It's since been retired to my "basses I love and will never sell or hurt" pile.
I LOVE Vox Teardrops...such cool axes...except you cannot sit down and play them.
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You are correct. It was Brian Jones. I brain farted... :-D
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How do I place a photo in a posting?
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I think you need to have an imagehost first, then use the tags
[img]PICTURE LINK HERE[/img]
If you need an imagehost, try going to imageshack.us, it's free and easy and pretty reliable too.
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Zowie! You have to be the 'one' to ask 'bout my recently acquired concert bass head w/matching 'big-*ss' cab. [See 2/22/07 Q&A post] Have to admit my unit
look pretty forlorn compared with that impressive display! Also a follow up ? - Any vintage stuff?
greystoke :-o
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here's a picture of all my sunn stuff along with my friend's 5150 and that red cab, those aren't mine
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/SpankyJ/DSC00006-2.jpg)
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Sonic1-40 cab.with D140, 200S cab.with D15S, 312S cab.with Sunn transducers, Concert Bass and Slave heads
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/fatlizzard/Closeup2P1010019.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/fatlizzard/allnogrills15topbassesJPG.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/fatlizzard/allgrills15topbassesJPG.jpg)
Does anyone know if running Concert Bass heads on thier sides as in photo above will cause heating problems?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/fatlizzard/2cabsnogrillsbassesP1010006.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/fatlizzard/mikesunncoachhouse.jpg)
This setup can be heard live under subject Sunn Bass Tone!
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Does anyone know if running Concert Bass heads on thier sides as in photo above will cause heating problems?
No, it won't cause heating problems. The heatsink and output transistors are mounted horizontally to the bottom of the case (in it's normal position). You'll probably get more consistent airflow through the case due to the "chimney" effect!
I'd be more concerned about the stability. Hmm... maybe a couple of bungie cords?
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/fatlizzard/morebass.jpg)
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(http://www.lustyghost.com/images/beard_mit.jpg)
Photo from a show at MIT's steer roast last year. Playing a coral sitar (Jerry Jones, not original) through my '68 solarus (lower right corner). It's in the shop this week having problems left over from its previous servicing in January - and the new problems caused by the stuff they missed - fixed (I learned the hard way that being widely known does not necessarily mean that a tech will do good work), but once it gets back I'll be doing some recording with it. Buries every other amp I've owned, apart from the b-15N.
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(http://home.comcast.net/~n.leners/rig.jpg)
1971 Sunn Coliseum Bass
197? Sunn 6 x 12 (loaded with Eminence Delta Bass 12" speakers)
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n!k, you play the bass through the Pi? Interesting!
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A lot of bass players like to use a Big Muff Pi to get some distortion in their sound.
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Cool, I never knew that. I use it for guitar and keyboards, works phenomenally for those too!
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Yeah, it's a good bass distortion. Lately I've been into a Guyatone TZ-1 with the volume at 12:00 and the drive at 9:00, fed into a Nick greer Gold Nugget with the tone and drive maxed and the volume set for unity gain. HUGE.
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I am addicted to fuzz! I'll start a separate thread about it!
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Here's my setup:
1975 Fender P-Bass
Shin-Ei Companion Fuzz-Wah
1974 model t w/ a 1984? 215b loaded with EV DL15ST speakers:
(http://a787.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/17/m_2596a4e0d7f2827c5d67c52860964fa2.jpg)
Sometimes it's used in conjunction with a Plush 2X15 loaded with JBLs...puts out crazy sound at 2 ohms! :roll:
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And mine:
(http://b9.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00588/92/38/588698329_l.jpg)
After playing in front of this rig for six years, I can no longer have children.
:-D
Tommy
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v372/fyie/sunnrig.jpg)
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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that's a nice looking set up hoovooloo
what speakers do you have in your avatar
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Celestion G12T75s.
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a lot of people don't like those for some reason, but I think they sound great with all of my sunn amps
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Mine have served me well so far.
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My rig's latest full size incarnation.
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a48/novata2ist/wallojames.jpg)
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good luck with that ^
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My rig's latest full size incarnation.
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a48/novata2ist/wallojames.jpg)
YEAH! That's what I love to see. I'm selling off my last piece of Sunn equipment after 40 years.
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Here is a picture of a 2000S cabinet I recently built for a client along with a 2000S head cabinet he had me restore. It's great to see all those photo's! I especially liked seeing the Hammond M3 organ modification that I made back in the mid-60's!
Conrad Sundholm
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my setup...
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Wow... that Moog is in GREAT shape!!
And the Sunn stack looks great too. Do you run the Moog through parts and the bass through others?
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Thanks Rick!
Yeah the Moog is in nice shape and sounds amazing. Found it sitting on the floor in a music shop in New Orleans about 8 years ago. Did not sound very good but it really just needed some internal cleaning and it was good to go.
I run it through the Sunn and 215 cabinet with analog delay and chorus pedals. Sounds especially great in stereo. My ideal set up will be to find 2 of the 1-15 single cabs and run it in stereo with two of the 200s.
As for the bass I run it through either the 200s or a Sunn 350B (not pictured) with two 2-15 8ohm cabs. I've also been playing around using the 350B clean and using the 200s with just a bit of fuzz.
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Spellcaster, is that a Sonny Bluebeard Fuzz I spy? How is it?
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Thanks Rick!
Yeah the Moog is in nice shape and sounds amazing. Found it sitting on the floor in a music shop in New Orleans about 8 years ago. Did not sound very good but it really just needed some internal cleaning and it was good to go.
I run it through the Sunn and 215 cabinet with analog delay and chorus pedals. Sounds especially great in stereo. My ideal set up will be to find 2 of the 1-15 single cabs and run it in stereo with two of the 200s.
As for the bass I run it through either the 200s or a Sunn 350B (not pictured) with two 2-15 8ohm cabs. I've also been playing around using the 350B clean and using the 200s with just a bit of fuzz.
How do you run the Moog in stereo? Isn't it a mono instrument?
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I run one of the Bluebeard Fuzzes as well, its a killer pedal and Sonny's a good shit to deal with. Not an over the top fuzz, but compliments the natural amp distortion perfectly. Its a clone of the old Rams Head Muff, and he has them built like a tank.
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The Bluebeard Fuzz sounds great and I like it best when I run it into a second amp and balance it with a solid clean signal. Yes, much like a Big Muff but a bit smoother yet more aggressive then the black box muff that I had. Rick, your right the MiniMoog has only mono outs but I've run it through a MXR Analog Delay with stereo outs into separate amps and cabs with great results.
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Guys with bluebeards, does it handle bass frequencies well? Does it still sound bassy with the fuzz up? I loved my muff's smoothness but I hated that it sucked the low-end out. I've been itching to give Sonny a shout and get one.
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Let the SUNN shine on.
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I loved my muff's smoothness but I hated that it sucked the low-end out.
that is well put!
i play very very very loud w/ a bunch of Model Ts and 2X15 and 4X15s and keep trying to use my old opamp BigMuff but it dont get subb like i wanna-so i end up w/ my old '81 Rat and all iz well here in
<S T A N OSAUR> landd.
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Howdy, here's my collection awhile back (before I got married) I have since sold the Model T, collisium stack, & 300T. I now play through a 190B & beta bass with a 1x15 & that 2x15 cab. I also attached a very old pic circa '87 of my 1st Sunn experience which was the 2 folded 18's & a collisium head ($600 I think) at a local music store. It was a bone crusher & very fun to tote around. I wish I still had that rig but maybe one day??? Man, when I see these pics together it makes me wonder if I will ever get out of my garage :|
(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i140/pacobelly/sunnwall.jpg)
(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i140/pacobelly/jamspace91-1.jpg)
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What color is that Ric 4001, Paco? It doesn't look red enough to be a Fireglo. Autumn Burst, maybe?
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It's an '80 autumn burst or glo I can't remember exactly what they called it. I bought it about 10 yrs ago from a frat boy here in Norman OK (OU) for $400! It was mint in the case without a scratch on it. He said it was no use to him since he couldn't "slap" it. I laughed & promptly paid him :-D I have since put on a custom pick guard I milled from aluminum, it really looks cool with all the chrome & looks great on stage. It's the second one I've had but I really didn't like my first one much. The action & feel were very different from this one. It was a 4001 also & I believe around the same time too but just didn't have the "feel" I liked. I will NEVER sell this one though, you know when you find true love :wink:
~Chris
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Here's my bargain of a life time, $35.00 @ a garage sale. it was in rough shape 15 yrs. in a basement
(mold & mildew). I recovered tolex ,new grill cloth , 15" drivers, recapped, resistors that were out of tolerence
new tubes except for long plate mullard 12ax7 that was in it, still sounds great.NOS RCA 6an8, GE 5r4ga
rectifier, Tungsol (new) 6550's. For the purist's out there it's not all stock but it's mine and i love it!!!!!
100% of the work was done by myself, so if ya don't like the looks,close your eyes sit back and listen! LOl
Peace,Schmeck
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Here's my bargain of a life time, $35.00 @ a garage sale. it was in rough shape 15 yrs. in a basement
(mold & mildew). I recovered tolex ,new grill cloth , 15" drivers, recapped, resistors that were out of tolerence
new tubes except for long plate mullard 12ax7 that was in it, still sounds great.NOS RCA 6an8, GE 5r4ga
rectifier, Tungsol (new) 6550's. For the purist's out there it's not all stock but it's mine and i love it!!!!!
100% of the work was done by myself, so if ya don't like the looks,close your eyes sit back and listen! LOl
Peace,Schmeck
Nice.
What's the knob where the second input jack should be?
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Thank you, I really worked hard on it, it was pretty much a basket case.The knob is a 2meg pot on the input
circuit, it acts as a gain control for a little more distortion as I play guitar through it. There's also a small switch just to the right of the power switch (red tip) that controls a 110v brushless fan, no noise at all.
all mods are easily reversable no holes drilled. I really didn't know what it was when I found it, just that it was old and a tube amp, half way to my van two guys ran up to me desperately asking me if i wanted to sell it,
that gave it away that I had something :-D lucky me!
Here's a back shot along side my "Christmas Tree" :-D
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wow. you kinda suck.
great find, congrats!
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Here's my bargain of a life time, $35.00 @ a garage sale. it was in rough shape 15 yrs. in a basement
(mold & mildew). I recovered tolex ,new grill cloth , 15" drivers, recapped, resistors that were out of tolerence
new tubes except for long plate mullard 12ax7 that was in it, still sounds great.NOS RCA 6an8, GE 5r4ga
rectifier, Tungsol (new) 6550's. For the purist's out there it's not all stock but it's mine and i love it!!!!!
100% of the work was done by myself, so if ya don't like the looks,close your eyes sit back and listen! LOl
Peace,Schmeck
Way to keep the Sunn shining, brother! Considering the popularity of Sunn at its peak, I've often wondered how many of those old gems are in basements, attics, garages, etc. just waiting for someone like yourself to trip over them.
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Yeah, kinda but at least it didn't fall into the hands of someone who would have just put stickers all over it. ie:(Squire tele custom in the background)LoL Belongs To neighbor kid that comes over to play, he's got tons of raw talent, 17yrs old writes his own music that i even enjoy I'm 43,but his sense of asthetics :? oh well.
I gave him this old Westone as an early graduation present under the condition if he put a sticker on it or didn't graduate I would do a Pete Townsend (Big Finish!!!!) on his head with it! :evil:
Thanks,Ed DJC,Joe I really appreciate the compliments :-)
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Great collection and what's wrong with the 8-string basses? I've got an old Hagstrom 8-string that rocks really well through my 2000S with two original JBL D140F speakers in the cabinet.
I'll try to get some photos together of my sunn 2000S and my basses.
Looking forward to being in this forum as I didn't know there were any for sunn users.
Happy Holidays!
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Hi,
question to schmecks great looking stuff:
"There's also a small switch just to the right of the power switch (red tip) that controls a 110v brushless fan, no noise at all."
Did U ever have "overheating" problems with the 200s?
Greetings
Oli
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Nope, cuz I don't have a 200s, I know, I know same thing but I just had to say it, sorry. :-D
Seriously no overheating problems more of a precaution the existing holes were perfect for fan to blow
outwards, It just circulates the air nicely on really hot days without creating any cold spots, infared thermometers are so cool! :-D sorry again lol Schmeck
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Hi,
ahh, I see. Good thing to do, I think. Your equipment looks really gerat. Was it difficult to get the new grill cloth on front (of your , close to the 200s, Sorado? :wink:)
Thanks & Greetings
Oliver
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Hi Oli,
It's not too difficult I at least don't think so, but I'm the wrong guy to ask. In the real world I own my own Flooring installation business (carpet, vinyl etc..) so for me it was easy the tolex too. The main thing for it to look good is to get it tight! so here's some pointers if you decide to tackle it. You want to start in one corner and finish in the opposite corner,pick any corner and staple it down a couple inch's each way from corner,
Then pull it tight to either corner that is on the same side as the one you started on, follow? Your opp corner is diag across from the starting one. Get it tight and staple it just enough to hold it, then staple it all the way down that side from starting corner to 1st stretch corner. Now stretch & staple whole opp. side from the first side that you completely stapled, start at the other corner and work towards the finish corner.
Then staple in between start corner and the corner in previous step, you should have just one side left to staple,pull it tight and staple going from 1st stretch corner towards the finish corner.Trim up the excess at the corners Kick back,admire your work, and enjoy beverage of choice. (couple cool licks works too...)
schmeck :-D
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Hi,
cool! Thanks for the info. The front grill of my 350B looks really bad :|, I'll try to get an new one on it & post the pictures here. I think I can get the cloth on e-bay.
Greetings
Oli
P.S. Does not really belong to this tropic, but it would be great to work out a list where we can get all these little parts (like switches, corners, cloth etc.) or the stuff close to the original. There were already a lot mentioned on this page.
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great idea Oli. is that possible? to begin compiling a file of 'Sunn parts list' detailing where to find them?
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Clockwise from top right:
Roland RE-201
Traynor YBA 1a Bassmaster
Sunn Solarus
Sunn 612s
Sunn 412L
Traynor YGC-412
(http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sctm/v157/56/77/509205238/n509205238_666174_2656.jpg)
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Great collection and what's wrong with the 8-string basses? I've got an old Hagstrom 8-string that rocks really well through my 2000S with two original JBL D140F speakers in the cabinet.
I find that the pickups on my Hagstroms are lacking. Not a lot of lows, not a lot of highs, either. A fair amount of midrange thump, though.
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Clockwise from top right:
Roland RE-201
Traynor YBA 1a Bassmaster
Sunn Solarus
Sunn 612s
Sunn 412L
Traynor YGC-412
(http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sctm/v157/56/77/509205238/n509205238_666174_2656.jpg)
Are you sure that cabinet has six 12's? I think the only Sunn 6 X 12 was the 1200S cab (48"x30"x15"). It looks like a 42"x24"x15" 610S (Sunn Transducers), 610M (Sunn Magnas), 312S (Sunn Transducers), or a 312V (Cerwin Vegas) from the early 70's.
If it has six 12" drivers it would be the only 42"x24"x15" one I've ever heard of, and it doesn't appear in any of the Sunn literature I've collected.
Measure one of the drivers and see if it's 12" or 10". If it is six 12's, take some pictures while you're in there, and see if you can find any date codes or serial numbers.
Thanks!
Nice YBA by the way. Do you know about the easy plexi mod you can do to it? Makes that old Traynor scream!
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It's probably a 612S, from the seventies. Angled baffles, like the 610S only more so, allowed six 12" drivers in a 24"x40" cabinet.
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It's probably a 612S, from the seventies. Angled baffles, like the 610S only more so, allowed six 12" drivers in a 24"x40" cabinet.
I never heard of a 612S.* It certainly would be real a tight fit, especially if the angled baffle was externally braced between the drivers like a 610S. As has been discussed here ad infinitum, the 610S was listed as a guitar cabinet, at least in all of the literature I have. The 312S however was listed as a bass guitar cab. Any idea what the 612S was listed as, guitar or bass? I would imagine the lack of internal cabinet volume would seriously restrict the bottom, and with six 12's squeezed into that box, I can't imagine any room for a port.
*this is NOT to insinuate that it doesn't exist, just that I have never come across any reference to a 612S.
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Hey, I'll try to stop by my space today and snap some photos.
It's definitely a 612s, and yeah, when I opened it up, I was amazed they could've fit all it all in there, but they do! It's a 6ohm cabinet, and is rather thicky, and a tad bassy compared to my 412L, but chained together they sound awesome. I'm going to run all three together when I'm less lazy, since I
I had a difficult time finding anything about it online, but I've found a few mentions of it on here.
I've heard of, but haven't read up on the Plexi mod. Is there much info available on it from a particular trusted resource(not to get off-topic in terms of Sunn, but you've piqued my interest)?
It's probably a 612S, from the seventies. Angled baffles, like the 610S only more so, allowed six 12" drivers in a 24"x40" cabinet.
I never heard of a 612S.* It certainly would be real a tight fit, especially if the angled baffle was externally braced between the drivers like a 610S. As has been discussed here ad infinitum, the 610S was listed as a guitar cabinet, at least in all of the literature I have. The 312S however was listed as a bass guitar cab. Any idea what the 612S was listed as, guitar or bass? I would imagine the lack of internal cabinet volume would seriously restrict the bottom, and with six 12's squeezed into that box, I can't imagine any room for a port.
*this is NOT to insinuate that it doesn't exist, just that I have never come across any reference to a 612S.
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It's probably a 612S, from the seventies. Angled baffles, like the 610S only more so, allowed six 12" drivers in a 24"x40" cabinet.
I never heard of a 612S.* It certainly would be real a tight fit, especially if the angled baffle was externally braced between the drivers like a 610S. As has been discussed here ad infinitum, the 610S was listed as a guitar cabinet, at least in all of the literature I have. The 312S however was listed as a bass guitar cab. Any idea what the 612S was listed as, guitar or bass? I would imagine the lack of internal cabinet volume would seriously restrict the bottom, and with six 12's squeezed into that box, I can't imagine any room for a port.
*this is NOT to insinuate that it doesn't exist, just that I have never come across any reference to a 612S.
I think it was in the 1974 catalog. As I recall, none of the cabinets were specified as being strictly for guitar or bass. Everything was 'mix'n'match'. No port, and I agree about the lack of internal volume making it unsuitable for bass.
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(http://home.comcast.net/~n.leners/sunnmonolith.jpg)
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Here's some of my stuff.
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(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd297/kismet78/sunn351.jpg) (http://www.kyletompkins.com/wp/?p=554)
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It's probably a 612S, from the seventies. Angled baffles, like the 610S only more so, allowed six 12" drivers in a 24"x40" cabinet.
I never heard of a 612S.* It certainly would be real a tight fit, especially if the angled baffle was externally braced between the drivers like a 610S. As has been discussed here ad infinitum, the 610S was listed as a guitar cabinet, at least in all of the literature I have. The 312S however was listed as a bass guitar cab. Any idea what the 612S was listed as, guitar or bass? I would imagine the lack of internal cabinet volume would seriously restrict the bottom, and with six 12's squeezed into that box, I can't imagine any room for a port.
YEP!! The 612S cab does exist. I have one. I'd call it a guitar cab, not bass...although I have used it for the high end of a bi-amp bass rig on occasion. But I'm fairly sure it was meant as a guitar cab originally. When I got mine, the seller neglected to mention three blown speakers and (unbelievably) I managed to find a set of four matching Sunn 12-inch correct replacements with SN#s FROM THE SAME MONTH, not even 30 minutes from me!! Talk about luck!
*this is NOT to insinuate that it doesn't exist, just that I have never come across any reference to a 612S.
I think it was in the 1974 catalog. As I recall, none of the cabinets were specified as being strictly for guitar or bass. Everything was 'mix'n'match'. No port, and I agree about the lack of internal volume making it unsuitable for bass.
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1st post.<br>
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whats that thing on the left?
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It's a Sound City L120 head.
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i'd put my sunn pics on the site but i'am too computer stupid to know how...i'am luck i can turn the thing on smiles Bob from mass
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An update of my current sunn collection.. :)
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Anyone have any new pictures? Here are some SUNN amps I've owned in the past. My current (and only) Sunn is a '67 Spectum I (EL34s) with a 1x15 JBL (D-130, 16 ohm).
I used the first pic to sell an amp on ebay about five years ago. It has been used by other sellers claiming to sell SUNNs. If you see it, beware!
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Hey ya'll....I am new to the site but absolutely appreciate all the great info and insight. Ya'll are awesome! I finally got my hands on my first real ride after years of searching. Snagged a 1969 Sunn Sceptre w/ the staggered 4x12 and would not have been as versed on it without the help of everyone on the forum...from dating it to gaining insight on tubes etc etc. I really lucked out on this one...she was blown up in the 70's and left in a closet for almost 30 years before it was completely overhauled by a local sunn aficionado here in the denver area. The guts look awesome and the tone is unbeatable. I love the design of the staggered 4x12, but found the stock transducers to be rather dark compared to the bass drivers I've got in the other cab shown ('68 Bassman 4x12 w/ delta pros). I'll definitely keep them, but I'm toying with the idea of throwing the emi wizards in the sunn cab and running both (only to be as ridiculous as possible-- marty mcfly style). But, overall, I couldn't be any happier, and was actually surprised at how underrated these amps were. I was a little worried when testing it out, how it would sit in the mix against a matamp gt1 (cranked), a monster bass rig and a 7' tall drummer with a 26" kick (mothabrotha's got some power behind his whips) but cleanwise, it's present enough, and with a fuzzbox/boost in front of it, the thing f@#&ing roars.
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Well, guess I should post here (have I before? Maybe it's just an update....)
My apologies for the crappy iPhone pictures, I'll get better ones soon....
Anyways, just picked up a 1971 Sunn 2000s cab (unloaded). It's been retolexed, and an extra large hole cut for the jack, but otherwise it's pretty much there (excluding handles). Have to find some K140s soon.........
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