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Sunn Musical Equipment => Bands Using SUNN => Topic started by: Mr. T on March 09, 2003, 07:56:20 pm
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SunnO)) is another great band led by Doom Rock hero Greg Anderson. You can check them out at www.southernlord.com
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see also www.ideologic.org
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It's my favorite band. I'm very impressed by the low frequencies they produce. Especially Greg Anderson, even a bass can not do that. Is it just a matter of connecting several preamps together?
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i saw them live last week, awesome !!!!
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I've heard that the bassist has found a frequency that paralyzes your butt muscle, so if you have a bad stomach at one of their concerts, too bad:)
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enough amps, some moog, some oscillators and make sure you tune down your instruments as low as you possibly can and off you go.
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Awesome Sunn0))) Interview -
http://www.stonerrock.com/interviews/index.asp?InterviewID=144
Just to read about the Sunn gear they use on tour - truly inspiring...
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They are quickly becoming one of my favorite bands. I'd love to see them live. I don't know about the 'brown note,' though... Apparently it's only a myth.
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I read the interview, but didn't see anything about Sunn gear.
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Seeing as how he said they both used two Model T's, could anyone describe/explain to me their process in connecting the two amps together? Are they using one as a slave? Or are they splitting their signal and just running two amps at the same time? What kind of methods could one use to connect two model t's together? As this is something I want to experiment with in the near future...
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Could someone clear up this question for me?
If you look on the Q&A forum and go to the "Best 6550 tubes for the Model T" thread, I raised the question of how Sunn o))) gets their sound out of the Model T's if they're not known for being all that high gain... I'm pretty sure they're getting that sound out of the amps and not some stompbox as they named their band after the amps... so can anyone tell me how I can get the Sunn o))) sound out of an old Model T? I was thinking about buying one, but I need to know what I'm going to need to do to get that doom sound... I'm playing a Gibson SG standard strung with a bass string on top, tuned down to drop A through a reissue model t and (hopefully soon) an old 74 model t...
anyone?
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it's been stated both greg and soma use rats, soma also uses a zvex super hard on. hope that clears it up.
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The trick is to get the loudest clean amp you possibly can and make it sound messed up using distortion pedals and downtuning. It's a lot easier to make a clean sound shitty than a shitty sound clean. I guess they just really like sunn amps! I've taken a total leap of faith on a spectrum and am just expecting the loudest clean sound ever.
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This band is solely responsible for making the prices of Model T's and all other Sunn amps jump up 10,000%. What a bummer.
Oh, I've seen them live twice. I learned once you've seen them once, you've seen them enough. Fortunately, Boris and Thrones played the second time I saw them, so it wasn't a complete waste. Boris was absolutely amazing live.
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if you say seeing SUNN is a waste
you might be on the wrong site
a SUNN show is a unique experience-each one a special environment of sound and air movement and feeling
its an exultation of all things
if you have seen each show as the same thing i think yer missing something-like the main purpose of the band(i could be wrong too)
s 8-)
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I didn't say seeing Sunn the band was a waste. I just said once you've seen them, you've pretty much seen it all. I've heard the same said about many bands (Reverend Horton Heat and Social Distortion come to mind).
I'm a fan of Sunn amps. This site is about Sunn amps, not that band, so I am in the right place. I personally think they sully the name. Too bad they weren't into Crate amps or something... :wink:
I am shocked Fender hasn't at least done a cease and desist on them for using a name and logo they own.
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As has been stated.
SunnO))) is not doing anything to hurt fender sales. They may actually be reviving an interest in
the Fender owned name.
Another point good to remember is the fact that a cheap amp gets thrown in the trash more often than a Valuable amp.
oh, and Greg has spoke of a pitch shifter.
and blah, blah, blah,
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As has been stated.
SunnO))) is not doing anything to hurt fender sales. They may actually be reviving an interest in
the Fender owned name.
Another point good to remember is the fact that a cheap amp gets thrown in the trash more often than a Valuable amp.
oh, and Greg has spoke of a pitch shifter.
and blah, blah, blah,
It's obvious the band isn't hurting Fender sales, as they discontinued the line in 2001.
It's the fact they're using a name and logo that belongs to someone else.
So, can I call my band "Nike" and use the swoosh?
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SunnO))) is not doing anything to hurt fender sales. They may actually be reviving an interest in
the Fender owned name.
It's obvious the band isn't hurting Fender sales, as they discontinued the line in 2001.
It's the fact they're using a name and logo that belongs to someone else.
So, can I call my band "Nike" and use the swoosh?
is nike still producing shoes with the swoosh logo?
if so then probably not.
I'm sure that if Fender thought that they needed a piece of the HUGE HAUL that an Independent band RAKED in.................
I bet that if the band SUNNO))) became a household word, the nirvana of 2010, well they would just reissue the "re-issue" and say hey guys thanks for all the free publicity.
It's not like anyone is confuses a SUNNO))) record with a SUNNO))) amp.
At one time I had a band that went by the name of a prominent criminal defense lawyer here in town. we also used her tv commercial logo. We did it in HOPES of being sued or at the very least a cease and desist order. Nothing
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jeez, can't even count on a lawyer to be a pain these days. what is the world coming to?
heh.
I agree, Fender doesn't care because it is free publicity - nobody sees Sunn the band and thinks its an amp (unless you search "Sunn" on ebay, then you get 25 amps and 3,000 records).
::Readers of weak conscience, leave now!::
I think Fender would be served well by re-activating the Sunn lines and doing some re-issues. But by reissues I mean real reissues, like, to original specs, to avoid discrepancies like the Model Ts. I dunno, I just think they're being awful dumb - they're sitting on a cash cow of a brand name and not using it. That being said, I'm still happy the glorious Sunn name hasn't been tarnished by completely Fender Designed amps. that would be a pity - if Fender decided to make a new line without it being designed by the god of Sunn....Conrad himself.
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Hmmm, stb (sunno)))the band) are what they are..... underground ambient drone doom. Their are not top 40 and that's
for a good reason...these guys are really showcasing the amps and cabs rather than taking a financial advantage IMO.
I have had the privilege to hear the upcoming collaboration w/Boris, and it sounds great.
I agree some of their older stuff is quite bland, but it is quite intentional, and their sound has improved since white1.
Besides, who cares about fender? They quit producing sunn although and offer little support. I just can't feel sorry for
a corporation that cares more about boosting their own stock over maintaining a great name. Poo. :-D
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have to comment also, the new collaboration Sunno))) made with Boris is an awesome, awesome record.
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saw sunn on saturday at supersonic festival in birmingham! first time i've seen them, they were amazing! justin broadwick was on with them. my inners didn't know what had hit them! fantastic
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I'm listening to Sunn o))) - Fried Eagle Mind as we speak... I was listening to Black One and Oracle for so long and suddenly I had the urge to put in Altar and I'm glad I did... SOMA's clean guitar tone with the usual subtle chorus and delays is just perfect. Anyone like KTL or Khanate?
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khanate owns sunn 0))) in my opinion. one of my fav bands.
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Seeing as how he said they both used two Model T's, could anyone describe/explain to me their process in connecting the two amps together? Are they using one as a slave? Or are they splitting their signal and just running two amps at the same time? What kind of methods could one use to connect two model t's together? As this is something I want to experiment with in the near future...
just a simple y box both going into the linked inputs
the gain they get is a variety of pedals depending on the albums, rat and zvex hard on as said before, and more recently one of the guys has been using a sanford and sonny bluebeard fuzz.
but really, the idea is turn every knob to 10, boost it with an overdrive or fuzz, and tune to drop A. To me, it really sounds like overdriven 6550's.
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Could someone clear up this question for me?
If you look on the Q&A forum and go to the "Best 6550 tubes for the Model T" thread, I raised the question of how Sunn o))) gets their sound out of the Model T's if they're not known for being all that high gain... I'm pretty sure they're getting that sound out of the amps and not some stompbox as they named their band after the amps... so can anyone tell me how I can get the Sunn o))) sound out of an old Model T? I was thinking about buying one, but I need to know what I'm going to need to do to get that doom sound... I'm playing a Gibson SG standard strung with a bass string on top, tuned down to drop A through a reissue model t and (hopefully soon) an old 74 model t...
anyone?
I use a 72 Model T, MetalMuff (barely...distortion at zero), HolyGrail reverb, and a sustainer, all mixed with an ESP '67 Flying V w/ single EMG 81 and tuned to c standard. sounds extremely close. the Model T is what makes the definitive sound though, not the effects.
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I've heard that the bassist has found a frequency that paralyzes your butt muscle, so if you have a bad stomach at one of their concerts, too bad:)
Mike Pinder, the orignal keyboard player from the Moody Blues once said, that he believed that if you slowed down a bass note to it's oscillating frequency, and then played it backwards, it would cause your bowles to move. Can you just imagin that at a concert with 60,000 people...Holy Shit....literally.
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Saw them tonight(with Eagle Twin who was really good). Probably one of the loudest, longest, slowest, and most memorable shows I've been to. The venue looked like it was on fire. Well worth the $15 I paid. My bowels are still good to go.
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I saw them back in March...
I've never witnessed something as dark, extreme, brutal and amazing lke Sunn O))).
I would go to see them again and again. Just hope for their return :)
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I just started getting into them this past year - love their collaboration with Boris, and looking forward to seeing them live this year, and hope they bring their Moogs. While I'm at it - please forgive my ignorance - but what's the deal with stoners and Sunn amps? Nothing wrong with it, but what's the deal with Sunn being especially synonymous with doom/sludge/drone as opposed to any other amp?
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please forgive my ignorance - but what's the deal with stoners and Sunn amps? Nothing wrong with it, but what's the deal with Sunn being especially synonymous with doom/sludge/drone as opposed to any other amp?
Dude. Have you ever played out of a sunn amp?
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the first time i saw sunn O))) it was here
http://www.r5productions.com/church.jpg
except with all the lights out, smoke/light machines ,candles lining the rows
and workers taking your tickets in grimrobes.
i can hardly imagine anything beating that.
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another angle
http://www.r5productions.com/church3.jpg
this is more what it looked like but obviously much grimmer
http://www.philauu.org/uploads/images/Sanctuary/concert_in_sanctuary.jpg
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the first time i saw sunn O))) it was here
http://www.r5productions.com/church.jpg
except with all the lights out, smoke/light machines ,candles lining the rows
and workers taking your tickets in grimrobes.
i can hardly imagine anything beating that.
:-o Win.
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I've heard that the bassist has found a frequency that paralyzes your butt muscle, so if you have a bad stomach at one of their concerts, too bad:)
Mike Pinder, the orignal keyboard player from the Moody Blues once said, that he believed that if you slowed down a bass note to it's oscillating frequency, and then played it backwards, it would cause your bowles to move. Can you just imagin that at a concert with 60,000 people...Holy Shit....literally.
the brown notes!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I've heard that the bassist has found a frequency that paralyzes your butt muscle, so if you have a bad stomach at one of their concerts, too bad:)
Mike Pinder, the orignal keyboard player from the Moody Blues once said, that he believed that if you slowed down a bass note to it's oscillating frequency, and then played it backwards, it would cause your bowles to move. Can you just imagin that at a concert with 60,000 people...Holy Shit....literally.
the brown notes!!!!!!!!!!!!
no, really! There was a legend about a weapon the military tested in the 1960's: A 52' long concrete horn (long-throw, for battlefield), and a 12 Hz tone (amplitude is a state secret apparently) that would cause the sphincter muscle at the end of the colon to relax. yes, Virginia, there IS a brown note.
Also, pay attention to your Industrial Hygiene manual (OSHA).... prolonged exposure to low frequency, loud noise will cause male sterility. (!) I'm sure they mean those guys riding motorbikes, not playing the hi-fi set..(?)
And, so, where are all of the old amplifiers going to? I was researching cathodic stimulation of plants on the Google. No, they don't go to make your geraniums grow better. It looks like the s&m people have found out about TENS stimulation (it makes a muscle contract, among other things). you go look, I'm too traumatised. OOkkk, I'll be putting another lock on the building with the Sunn collection.
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I've heard that the bassist has found a frequency that paralyzes your butt muscle, so if you have a bad stomach at one of their concerts, too bad:)
Mike Pinder, the orignal keyboard player from the Moody Blues once said, that he believed that if you slowed down a bass note to it's oscillating frequency, and then played it backwards, it would cause your bowles to move. Can you just imagin that at a concert with 60,000 people...Holy Shit....literally.
the brown notes!!!!!!!!!!!!
no, really! There was a legend about a weapon the military tested in the 1960's: A 52' long concrete horn (long-throw, for battlefield), and a 12 Hz tone (amplitude is a state secret apparently) that would cause the sphincter muscle at the end of the colon to relax. yes, Virginia, there IS a brown note.
Also, pay attention to your Industrial Hygiene manual (OSHA).... prolonged exposure to low frequency, loud noise will cause male sterility. (!) I'm sure they mean those guys riding motorbikes, not playing the hi-fi set..(?)
And, so, where are all of the old amplifiers going to? I was researching cathodic stimulation of plants on the Google. No, they don't go to make your geraniums grow better. It looks like the s&m people have found out about TENS stimulation (it makes a muscle contract, among other things). you go look, I'm too traumatised. OOkkk, I'll be putting another lock on the building with the Sunn collection.
Why on earth world any band (and I use the term "band" very loosely) be interested in making people defecate in unison? Would that somehow actually enhance the concert experience for the audience?
Is it like a "Smell-O-Vision" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smell-O-Vision) film; you both hear and smell crap simultaneously?
Maybe I'm old fashioned, but personally I would be a little reluctant to purchase a ticket for, or even attend a free "crapfest".
And as far as a military application, how exactly would you get a 52' concrete horn to the battlefield? Let's say they did; what benefit would there be in making the enemy even madder and smell bad because they soiled themselves?
Am I missing something here? :?
Seriously, Whatever anybody likes sonically is OK by me, and I hope no one is offended by my remarks; feel free to poke fun at the art forms that I refer to as "music". :wink:
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I totally agree that if you have seen them once you've seen them enough. When I saw them at The Middle East I was upfront at the beginning but it was so static and slow on stage I eventually just sat at the bar and watched, which was actually way better. My bar stool just rumbled and shook the whole time, brutal. Oh some dude upfront ended up falling over and was brought outside, also brutal.
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I remember listening to some girl stuff (Celine Dion(?)) once trying to 'share' with a woman when I realised that there was an actual Bass track in it-- somebody playing along on a bass musical instrument-- and rather than heaving as would have been the sensible thing, I think I uttered an involuntary 'Good God' (which started a fight, but what doesn't). But, this explains where some of the Sunn rigs go, that I hadn't thought of, and now people step forward and reveal who is there plucking the strings. I would rather think the rigs are generating drone with the knobs all on "11".
It seems the choice today is between losing your bowels out the bottom or back up through the gullet. 70's punk is still the greatest! Long live poor taste and no talent!
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this sunn looks cooler
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this sunn looks cooler
That has to be from the late 60's -very early 70's, very cool. :wink:
Where in the world did you get those pictures?
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go see that review of a Sunn O))) show, it expalin very well what's all about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1duvy3ewoks
I want to go see them september 5th! 6h drive for me! and the 7th in Brooklyn!
If you can, go see them!
http://www.atpfestival.com/artist/altar.php
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go see that review of a Sunn O))) show, it expalin very well what's all about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1duvy3ewok
lov sunn but that is the biggest load a crap on utube! is it an audtion tape for some bad review show? ugh-so self important-"i've dabbled in drone-yadayadayada...>fail<. you really dont need this info for sunn. go see them or hate them from afar-this guy dont mean much(to me)
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oh, well I just found him funny and like he said, you have to see them to understand.
just remind me of my friend who saw them few years ago and he's still shocked...it's so funny when he's barely able to described how crazy it was...people puking in the restroom, people leaving after 10min...warning for cardiac people at the entrance...my friend laying on the the floor the all show because he couldn't stand the wave of sound otherwise...and the funniest part, he oscillated on the floor and travel trough the place laying on the floor...LOL! that's were I laugh at him! «quit smoking that shit it's too strong»...lol! :lol:
sorry if you didn't like it. :oops:
anyway I would love to go see Altar SunnO))) & Boris! but it's 6h drive from Montreal! how come North American tours of my favorite bands tend to be in the US only, we're just the other half of it!? :x
even Sleep will be there! it's a reunion or something!?
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even Sleep will be there! it's a reunion or something!?
That's correct. I wish I could be there for the Altar show. Sleep is playing here in Portland really soon. :mrgreen:
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Going to go see SLEEP on the 4th of September and then on the 13th of October!
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you lucky guys will have to report on the Sleep show with pics and video! :wink:
...perhaps in another thread...hehe!
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yep SLEEP w/ THRONES here in frisco on the 12th-yamobethere :-P
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I've heard that the bassist has found a frequency that paralyzes your butt muscle, so if you have a bad stomach at one of their concerts, too bad:)
That myth has been floating around for decades. Back in the 60's, keyboard/Mellotron player Mike Pinder with the Moody Blues hypothesisized that if you take a bass note, slow it to it's oscillating frequency, and they played it backwards at about 120db volume, everyone in the room would have loose bowels. Talk about a show stopper
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I'm 59 years old and I guess I'm old to appreciate the Drone sound of Sunn ((O)))...or just don't get the music; however, but I respect the decisions of those who like the band and it's music. What I don't understand is how the band can use the SUNN logo? Can anyone enlighten me as to how they got around the legal aspects of Logo and Copyright ownership?
Rob
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huh? sorry been out all nite drinkin-from what i have read on the web(always subject to ridicule)
the sunno))) logo was not in use when the band gott together so-i guess they just went w/ it and waited for the slings and arrows legal and otherwise to appear...and they never did. go figure
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huh? sorry been out all nite drinkin-from what i have read on the web(always subject to ridicule)
the sunno))) logo was not in use when the band gott together so-i guess they just went w/ it and waited for the slings and arrows legal and otherwise to appear...and they never did. go figure
It makes no difference if Sunn the company was not manufacturing amps or equipment when Sunn the band started, the Logo and the rights to that belonged to an owner. When Hartzel Corp went out of business the assets of the company were turned over to whom ever was in charge of handling the disbursment of the Corps. finances and physical materials. Fender bought Sunn...which includes all rights to patents, designs, logos, trademarks, etc. i can't figure out how the band can use the logo. Guess I'll write Fender to find out.
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huh? sorry been out all nite drinkin-from what i have read on the web(always subject to ridicule)
the sunno))) logo was not in use when the band gott together so-i guess they just went w/ it and waited for the slings and arrows legal and otherwise to appear...and they never did. go figure
It makes no difference if Sunn the company was not manufacturing amps or equipment when Sunn the band started, the Logo and the rights to that belonged to an owner. When Hartzel Corp went out of business the assets of the company were turned over to whom ever was in charge of handling the disbursment of the Corps. finances and physicak materials. Fender bought Sunn...which includes all rights to patents, designs, logos, trademarks, etc. i can't figure out how the band can use the logo. Guess I'll write Fender to find out.
I would imagine that they could be forced to stop, as you post somebody owned the rights to the trademark. I think the point is, why waste the money and human resources pursuing them?
You know the old saying; “You can’t get blood out of a stone”?
I think it applies here. Their art form is so fringe, and their revenue likely so insignificant that I doubt Fender could even recoup their legal fees to sue them, and so obscure that any negative overall effect that they have on the brand is negligible at best.
Couple that with the fact that Fender isn’t even using the Sunn name presently, and I would think the attitude at FMIC is “Who cares?”.
I’d also imagine that if the artist(s) who appropriated the name ever were to achieve any success, it would be a different story.
If there was any money to be had, or even if the artist’s influence reached a point where a measurable percentage of musicians (read; “potential Fender customers”) would identify the artist’s trademark infringement directly to FMIC, I’ll betcha Fender’s attorneys would be on them like a duck on a June bug.
I asked a Fender AR guy about it at a NAMM show a couple of years ago and his answer was “Who?”. I tried to explain it and he said “Really? There’s a group out there calling themselves Sunn, spelled S-U-N-N? Hmmm… I wonder if legal knows about that.”
That was in ’07 or ’08, be sure to post what Fender responds to your inquiry now, Rob. I’m sure many forum members would be interested in what they say. Wouldn’t it be funny if they actually had FMIC’s permission to use the trademark, and even funnier if they were paying to do so?
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yep SLEEP w/ THRONES here in frisco on the 12th-yamobethere :-P
I am beyond pumped for this! Glad ended up getting tickets for the show with Thrones opening. That dude is intense.
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I'm going to the sleep show in Chicago September 9th. Any of you guys going to that one?
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I will be in Chicago on Sept. 9th, but not for that show. I'll be at Crustfest seeing Phobia and Dropdead.
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SLEEP TOMORROW :-o
Also it looks like the their gigs at the Regency on the 12th and 13th are already sold out...
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SLEEP TOMORROW :-o
Also it looks like the their gigs at the Regency on the 12th and 13th are already sold out...
yeah too badd-i just found out BlackCobra will be opening the 2nd show-lov those guys-they kill
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2nd show isn't sold out I guess actually. But anyways, SLEEP last night was amazing. I can die happy.
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just got my sleep ticket
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SLEEP last night was amazing.
I wouldn't say amazing, they hardly played any of their songs.
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Yeah, I know. But Sleep are one of my favorite bands, seeing them play just those few songs when I thought a few months back I'd never get to see them ever play made them that more awesome to me.
And as soon as I get a chance when I'm back in SF I'm gonna go get a ticket for the 13th!
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They killed in Chicago last night. Matt Pike played through 2 Model Ts and what looked like a Marshall super lead on 3 emperor full stacks.
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Sleep was killer last night. And Thrones played on some different stuff than I've seen before. Some silverface solid state deals, coliseum series maybe? I dunno. Sounded great whatever it was.
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AAAAHHH! damn you! :-P
I wish I could be there to see Sleep once in my lifetime! :|
I saw Thrones once though and it was kick ass! I even had a chance to chat a bit with Joe Preston, a super nice guy and a legend to me!
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i loved Joe's set lastnite. i usually see him in small venues and it was great to see him @ full force in a large room.
he went for the gutt w/ total bass density-drum machine and backing tracks were mixed real low. he really concentrated on big ass bass sounds. and yes those are SUNN coliseums he always uses.
SLEEP was sensational. such great sound and Al said 'we're back where it all started'.
tonite should be even more killer w/ BlackCobra(local boys make good) opening.
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AAAAHHH! damn you! :-P
I wish I could be there to see Sleep once in my lifetime! :|
I saw Thrones once though and it was kick ass! I even had a chance to chat a bit with Joe Preston, a super nice guy and a legend to me!
I will be seeing Thrones for the third time in October. Joe Preston is hilarious. The stuff he says just cracks me up. Plus he's is really entertaining as far as music goes.
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I'm debating whether I should go to SLEEP tonight. It's my birthday and all and I don't have class til later tomorrow...
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I'm debating whether I should go to SLEEP tonight. It's my birthday and all and I don't have class til later tomorrow...
doy!
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Here's a video I took at the sleep show.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZymvjkAO5s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZymvjkAO5s)
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that captures alot of what we saw and heard here in Frisco! thanks for that-that was a heavee ass show
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Here's a video I took at the sleep show.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZymvjkAO5s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZymvjkAO5s)
With Jason Roeder on drums...... :evil:
NICE!!
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I've heard that the bassist has found a frequency that paralyzes your butt muscle, so if you have a bad stomach at one of their concerts, too bad:)
It's called the "Brown Sound" and many a PA operator or band has had revenge on a bad nightclub/concert operator. (Everyone runs for the cans......anything will do... sinks, Urinals, garbage cans, the floor...) You need a LOT of power to do it.... 11 Hz I think it is...
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I've heard that the bassist has found a frequency that paralyzes your butt muscle, so if you have a bad stomach at one of their concerts, too bad:)
It's called the "Brown Sound" and many a PA operator or band has had revenge on a bad nightclub/concert operator. (Everyone runs for the cans......anything will do... sinks, Urinals, garbage cans, the floor...) You need a LOT of power to do it.... 11 Hz I think it is...
I think “Brown Sound” is actually a synonym for Brownian Noise, or Red Noise, and the phenomenon you are describing is called the “Brown Note”.
I also think it’s a myth.
There is little doubt that sub audible frequencies at high amplitude have a physical effect on the human physiology. I’ve spent a fair amount of time at close proximity to seriously powerful sub woofer systems, run RTA’s on huge systems < 20hz. I’ve felt dizzy and a little nauseous, had my vision blurred, even had the air in my lungs effected to the point where my voice sounded like I was talking into a fan, but no “butt explosions”. The first I ever heard of the phenomenon was at dance clubs in the 70’s, when big clubs had high dollar, big watt “thump” systems for the genre. At times it seemed that better than half of the patrons were in the bathroom at any given time, the story started that the subs were making people crap uncontrollably.
The term used then was the “Disco Dump”.
Personally I think it was actually a combination of alcohol and Quaaludes, and the fact that the bathroom stalls were the only place you could pack your nose (that is; without having to share with everybody :wink:)
Also, if it were a conscious effort by a band or a PA operator, where would they perpetrate this event from?
It does take a serious amount of juice to produce sub audible bass effect, but it goes everywhere. 11hz? Kind of like flood water, it would get into every nook and cranny. How would these nefarious pranksters pull of this revenge of which you speak without falling victim to the uncontrollable bowel syndrome themselves?
Has anyone here ever actually personally succumbed to the effects of this supposed “Brown Note”? If so, please share! Be sure to take into consideration any intoxicants that might also have caused the “incident”.
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Mythbusters(on Discovery) did a test for it. Said it wasn't real. Ya it's tv, but they seem pretty reliable if you ask me.
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If you can hit around 7 hertz (which is completely inaudible by human ears) you will make people feel extremely nauseous. Merzbow used to do it live with 2 enormous subs. A good friend of mine is donating me his 1,000 watt 30" sub so I can experiment with more ways to make the crowd hate us.
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If you can hit around 7 hertz (which is completely inaudible by human ears) you will make people feel extremely nauseous. Merzbow used to do it live with 2 enormous subs. A good friend of mine is donating me his 1,000 watt 30" sub so I can experiment with more ways to make the crowd hate us.
That's interesting, I'm real curious about how that works out for you.
Not to be a spoil sport, let's say for the sake of discussion that 7hz is the legendary "Brown Note".
I'm not looking to start a war, I'm genuinely interested in learning about how you plan to go about this goal.
So... with all hyperbole aside and without this thread degenerating into a BS fest, how many of those 1000 watt drivers and how much power do you figure you'll need to reproduce 7hz at high enough SPLs for people to feel it?
What equipment did "Merzbow" use to generate a 7hz signal and get it to a high enough SPL to make you nauseous?
A loud band with pro gear is around 130-140 dB, let's use a more conservative 110 dB; about as loud as sticking your head in a kick drum.
Also, 110 dB in the center of the theater was the target achieved by Cerwin Vega\BGW when they built the "Sensurround" system for Universal Studios.
However; they only got down to 17hz, 7hz is a whole new ballgame.
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a bunch a hooee is what i call the brown sound or effect or whatever it is.
some people work in that area of 'infrasound' and you dont see them walking around w/ skidrow johnnies on:http://www.pbs.org/kcet/wiredscience/story/35-sounds_of_silence.html
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Snarzdar, let me know when you and your band are ready to try your 7hz experiment. I'd like to see/hear that!
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If you can hit around 7 hertz (which is completely inaudible by human ears) you will make people feel extremely nauseous. Merzbow used to do it live with 2 enormous subs. A good friend of mine is donating me his 1,000 watt 30" sub so I can experiment with more ways to make the crowd hate us.
That's interesting, I'm real curious about how that works out for you.
Not to be a spoil sport, let's say for the sake of discussion that 7hz is the legendary "Brown Note".
I'm not looking to start a war, I'm genuinely interested in learning about how you plan to go about this goal.
So... with all hyperbole aside and without this thread degenerating into a BS fest, how many of those 1000 watt drivers and how much power do you figure you'll need to reproduce 7hz at high enough SPLs for people to feel it?
What equipment did "Merzbow" use to generate a 7hz signal and get it to a high enough SPL to make you nauseous?
A loud band with pro gear is around 130-140 dB, let's use a more conservative 110 dB; about as loud as sticking your head in a kick drum.
Also, 110 dB in the center of the theater was the target achieved by Cerwin Vega\BGW when they built the "Sensurround" system for Universal Studios.
However; they only got down to 17hz, 7hz is a whole new ballgame.
This is a valid question with excellent points. I don't know if this sub will able to go anywhere near 10hz to begin with. I'm getting it for free so I'll investigate more then. One of my good friends has a sound company that leases PA systems all over town. He recones speakers fairly often and I'm assuming once I get ahold of this thing I could have him take a look at it. Either way I don't think we will be making anybody ruin their pants, I'm just curious as to how it could affect people in confined spaces. We've played shows in the past that have had people come up to us afterwards and say they felt dizzy, sick, etc... this is actually what peaked my interest in the matter. When I mentioned it to my old roommate he told me about how he saw merzbow perform in europe and he had 2 very large subs on each side of the stage and supposedly did the brown noise experiment to nauseating degrees.
So yeah... I'm in very light stages of expirimentation right now. I'll definitely post my progress.
Snarzdar, let me know when you and your band are ready to try your 7hz experiment. I'd like to see/hear that!
Actually I saw that you have an 8 ohm 15" sub for sale on craigslist. How many watts? I am actually looking to get ahold of 2 8ohm 80 watt 15" speakers.
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by the time you do your brown note experiment...
I'm waiting for this item to come in the mail...need to listen loud!
http://www.discogs.com/Sunn-O--Earth-Angel-Coma/release/621772
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Snarzdar, I'm sorry but I just noticed your post asking about my 15" speaker. Since it came out of a Studio Bass, I'm sure it's good for 50 watts and probably a bit more than that, but I can't say for sure it'll handle 80. If you want to take a look at it, shoot me a PM or e-mail and we can get together.
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This band is solely responsible for making the prices of Model T's and all other Sunn amps jump up 10,000%. What a bummer.
Oh, I've seen them live twice. I learned once you've seen them once, you've seen them enough. Fortunately, Boris and Thrones played the second time I saw them, so it wasn't a complete waste. Boris was absolutely amazing live.
You have to put the blame back ten years further, to the early 1990's. SunnO))) are Sleep worshippers. Sleep was devoted to the early '70's tube amplifier technology for making doom songs. -tinnitus (WHAT?)
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This band is solely responsible for making the prices of Model T's and all other Sunn amps jump up 10,000%. What a bummer.
Oh, I've seen them live twice. I learned once you've seen them once, you've seen them enough. Fortunately, Boris and Thrones played the second time I saw them, so it wasn't a complete waste. Boris was absolutely amazing live.
You have to put the blame back ten years further, to the early 1990's. SunnO))) are Sleep worshippers. Sleep was devoted to the early '70's tube amplifier technology for making doom songs. -tinnitus (WHAT?)
Maybe look back 20 more years while you're at it.
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This band is solely responsible for making the prices of Model T's and all other Sunn amps jump up 10,000%. What a bummer.
Oh, I've seen them live twice. I learned once you've seen them once, you've seen them enough. Fortunately, Boris and Thrones played the second time I saw them, so it wasn't a complete waste. Boris was absolutely amazing live.
You have to put the blame back ten years further, to the early 1990's. SunnO))) are Sleep worshippers. Sleep was devoted to the early '70's tube amplifier technology for making doom songs. -tinnitus (WHAT?)
It's more like Sunn worship Earth.
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It's more like Sunn worship Earth.
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Ok i know this is a bit off topic but it crossed my mind... so the band sunn O)) are huge fans of Earth...well did maybe the band Earth named itself by the way early 70's amps Earth (sound research)??? and therefore since being their huge fans, the guys from sunn O)) also named themself by some other amplifiers... the sunn O)) ???
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I think the band Earth is named after the original name of Black Sabbath
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Or maybe, SunnO is just super pretentious and thought "Let's call ourselves SunnO))) because the Earth revolves around the Sun." Maybe not.
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this should clear some of this up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3ErbqzbKco
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That video was great. I think it debunks the idea of them being super pretentious. They just seem like dudes who wanna get faded and trip out on some far out shit.
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That video was great. I think it debunks the idea of them being super pretentious. They just seem like dudes who wanna get faded and trip out on some far out shit.
Sadly to some that's considered pretentious.
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Why would anyone think of them as pretentious??
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Why wouldn't anyone catch that statement as a joke is a better question... :?
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Greg's a real cool dude. Don't know about O'Malley, he seems kinda "self-serious", but I've seen a few interviews with him where he seems like a real laid back nice dude, he is the "artsy" type, so that could get misinterpreted for being snooty... I did hear something a long time ago about O'Malley throwing a house/stage monitor off the stage or something... whatever though.
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Greg's a real cool dude. Don't know about O'Malley, he seems kinda "self-serious", but I've seen a few interviews with him where he seems like a real laid back nice dude, he is the "artsy" type, so that could get misinterpreted for being snooty... I did hear something a long time ago about O'Malley throwing a house/stage monitor off the stage or something... whatever though.
Also I believe SOMA pushed Greg through the amps at a Sunn show or maybe it was the other way around.
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au contraire-Greg-self proclaimed 'caveman' to O'Malleys 'artist' pushed Stephen into his wall of amps-i got pix. story was-Stephen was playing around on stage-just wasnt into what they were supposed to be playing-so Greg came over and gave a big push. they are both cool guys who can play really well in other genres and just get a lot of heat for the d r o n e stuff most people dont understand.
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au contraire-Greg-self proclaimed 'caveman' to O'Malleys 'artist' pushed Stephen into his wall of amps-i got pix. story was-Stephen was playing around on stage-just wasnt into what they were supposed to be playing-so Greg came over and gave a big push. they are both cool guys who can play really well in other genres and just get a lot of heat for the d r o n e stuff most people dont understand.
And i presume that you know them personally since you know all that?
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au contraire-Greg-self proclaimed 'caveman' to O'Malleys 'artist' pushed Stephen into his wall of amps-i got pix. story was-Stephen was playing around on stage-just wasnt into what they were supposed to be playing-so Greg came over and gave a big push. they are both cool guys who can play really well in other genres and just get a lot of heat for the d r o n e stuff most people dont understand.
And i presume that you know them personally since you know all that?
Oh no!!! Your going to awaken the wrath of the STANOSAUR!
lol!
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(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm275/stanosaur/SunnVSSunn.jpg)
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Stan is Sunn O))). He just plays behind the amps and uses Greg and Steve as the front men :wink:
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Stan is Sunn O))). He just plays behind the amps and uses Greg and Steve as the front men :wink:
Well after i've seen his website all i know that he is an old man doing exactly the same thing as the guys from sunn O))... i must confess that i was shocked after i heard what he is doing...no offense man but you sound like sunn cover band and that's so not cool...if you're drone fan well, has it ever crossed your mind that maybe you should sound a bit different, drone is quite wide music!? I'm also a drone fan but i don't play exactly the same notes in my band as the guys from sunn do...and why? cause that's pathetic and lame!
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Stan is Sunn O))). He just plays behind the amps and uses Greg and Steve as the front men :wink:
Well after i've seen his website all i know that he is an old man doing exactly the same thing as the guys from sunn O))... i must confess that i was shocked after i heard what he is doing...no offense man but you sound like sunn cover band and that's so not cool...if you're drone fan well, has it ever crossed your mind that maybe you should sound a bit different, drone is quite wide music!? I'm also a drone fan but i don't play exactly the same notes in my band as the guys from sunn do...and why? cause that's pathetic and lame!
Cover bands get paid pretty good.
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Stan is Sunn O))). He just plays behind the amps and uses Greg and Steve as the front men :wink:
Well after i've seen his website all i know that he is an old man doing exactly the same thing as the guys from sunn O))... i must confess that i was shocked after i heard what he is doing...no offense man but you sound like sunn cover band and that's so not cool...if you're drone fan well, has it ever crossed your mind that maybe you should sound a bit different, drone is quite wide music!? I'm also a drone fan but i don't play exactly the same notes in my band as the guys from sunn do...and why? cause that's pathetic and lame!
Actually Stan does more of a looping/feedback ritual type deal, whereas Sunn O))) is more of free form riffs/music without the constraints of time signatures/measures. Similar in style and aesthetic-yes, but from what I've heard he has his own thing going on, really great guy too. One of the coolest dudes you'll meet
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Well after i've seen his website all i know that he is an old man doing exactly the same thing as the guys from sunn O))... i must confess that i was shocked after i heard what he is doing...no offense man but you sound like sunn cover band and that's so not cool...if you're drone fan well, has it ever crossed your mind that maybe you should sound a bit different, drone is quite wide music!? I'm also a drone fan but i don't play exactly the same notes in my band as the guys from sunn do...and why? cause that's pathetic and lame!
Dude, HARSH. Seems like you need a hug or something. Badly.
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Dude, HARSH. Seems like you need a hug or something. Badly.
Yeah I feel like like a lot of that was pretty unnecessary. But, people are entitled to opinions!
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thanks guys-i dont mind people ripping on me. rip onn!! i simply lov the sound of old Model T amps a roarin. its a lotta work moving multiple amps and cabs and i only do it to hear THAT sound. not trying to copy anyone-have a big knowledge of the history of D R O N E-i'm not even a blip on the scene-so-not worrying about anything else.
SUNN amps forever
http://stanosaur.com/
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Dude, HARSH. Seems like you need a hug or something. Badly.
Yeah I feel like like a lot of that was pretty unnecessary. But, people are entitled to opinions!
thanks guys-i dont mind people ripping on me. rip onn!! i simply lov the sound of old Model T amps a roarin. its a lotta work moving multiple amps and cabs and i only do it to hear THAT sound. not trying to copy anyone-have a big knowledge of the history of D R O N E-i'm not even a blip on the scene-so-not worrying about anything else.
You shouldn't have to be "ripped on", Stan. What you do is what you do, regardless of if another poster doesn't like it or agree with it is no excuse for being insulting.
Opinions and disagreements are one thing, name calling and personal assaults are another thing altogether. There's no reason that we can't have opposing opinions expressed with civil, hopefully productive discussions without it degenerating into a personal attack.
If for some reason someone can't control themselves, at least take it to PM; no reason to look like an ass in open forum.
Let's just all play nice, alright?
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Ok well, didn't wan't to insult a person personally but sorry guys i just can't understand it... That's it now, i'm done with this topic and i apologize if someone got offended but some things just doesn't seem right you know!
*Edited post*
There, I fixed it for you.
I think everyone understood how you felt about Stan's music from your first rant; is there something you don't understand about the personal assault thing?
EdBass
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Opinions and disagreements are one thing, name calling and personal assaults are another thing altogether. There's no reason that we can't have opposing opinions expressed with civil, hopefully productive discussions without it degenerating into a personal attack.
If for some reason someone can't control themselves, at least take it to PM; no reason to look like an ass in open forum.
Let's just all play nice, alright?
Agreed Ed. I Wasn't condoning the words at all, just trying to keep it civil 8-)
Ok well, didn't wan't to insult a person personally but sorry guys i just can't understand it... That's it now, i'm done with this topic and i apologize if someone got offended but some things just doesn't seem right you know!
There's plenty of dudes who do the whole Druid get up, man. Not to mention the band Ghost, who take it even a step further to have their front man dressed as an "anti-pope" (ha). It's just what he's into, it's kind of like calling any guy who is older that plays blues through a strat, fuzz & wah a Hendrix knock off. Or, for that matter, calling Sunn O))) an Earth rip off, hell, Boris made a whole Sunn O))) inspired album (amplifier worship). Greg and Steve would probably appreciate it as an homage to what their doing if anything.
Nonetheless, I dig what Stan does. It pretty much all falls under a tribute/appreciation to the amps and their creators themselves. Great tone is definitely something to pay tribute to. Keep doin' yer thang, Stan!
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This goes for music in general... at least in my opinion, with how much music is out there today, nothing is really THAT original or THAT ground breaking anymore. Anything and everything can be compared to something else and in turn called a "rip off". Maybe you can prove me wrong, but I just felt like I should say that.
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haha... Nice ^^^ Anyways let's try to keep this somewhat on topic and not have it spinout into a total troll fest. Yeah, Sunn O)))... Total gear envy
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Yeah, Sunn O)))... Total gear envy
That about sums it up whether you like them or not.
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let this thread die already
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let this thread die already
Agreed.
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This is why we can't have nice things
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This is why we can't have nice things
I love that I was wanting to post exactly that, only you beat me to it!
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Greg's a real cool dude. Don't know about O'Malley, he seems kinda "self-serious", but I've seen a few interviews with him where he seems like a real laid back nice dude, he is the "artsy" type, so that could get misinterpreted for being snooty... I did hear something a long time ago about O'Malley throwing a house/stage monitor off the stage or something... whatever though.
I spoke briefly with Stephen when he played in Sydney a few years ago, and he was extremely polite, informative and sincere. (I didn't mention the previous occasion I'd seen him play at the WhatisMusic festival with Sunn O))) in 2005, when he was experiencing some 'technical issues' and took out his frustrations out on one of his T's by pushing it off the top of a full stack - not knowing a tech was trying to rectify the problem from behind! Ouch... How much do those things weigh anyhow?!)
This is a man who is doing it for the right reasons, and I am grateful to him for it!
On a side note: whilst the Sunn O))) amplifier worshippers here might be crestfallen about the band's effect on the price of amplifiers, I imagine there are some Travis Bean fans who are feeling the same way as you!
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I imagine there are some Travis Bean fans who are feeling the same way as you!
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I've watched Sunn last week at Roadburn.
Nice show and a great oportunity for them to play with an AMAZING PA. So you can imagine the result... The below pic speaks for itself!
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_eV5RciErQzw/TbKmbjQe3xI/AAAAAAAABtI/uyWZKjRnpxc/s640/DSC01893.JPG)
6x Sunn Model T, one Sunn 1200S, 4x Ampeg svt and LOTS of cabs... :evil:
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Regardless of the feelings people have towards this band, that picture is just too much goodness for me to handle right now.
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I like Sunn and all, but the live album that just came out on Southern Lord's vinyl subscription series is going for over $100 on eBay. I guess I can hold onto that one for a rainy day.
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i'm lucky gettin' that double red vinyl domkirke from ebay shipped to me this week for less than $30!
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DOMKIRKE is a cool record-you should know you wont hear SUNN amps on this record.
its all HIWATT/Marshall. dont know the story-but obviously they had no luck getting the model ts to the venue.
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i'm lucky gettin' that double red vinyl domkirke from ebay shipped to me this week for less than $30!
nice one! I have the regular black 2LP version and I love it.
The recording of this release is amazing you can really ear the church acoustic (listen to it loud)...amazing, too bad it wasn't T's. :wink:
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it is truly an incredible sounding lp; nothing politely against any of you sunn boys, but i like hiwatts & ampegs, too!
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it is truly an incredible sounding lp; nothing politely against any of you sunn boys, but i like hiwatts & ampegs, too!
yeah 70's hiwatt and ampeg are sweet sounding amps, no problem with that. but I'm too busy hunting Sunn's for now hehe. :-D