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Offline Soundmasterg

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Re: has anyone seen the wreck on ebay?
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2008, 03:24:00 pm »
We have a system that was intended to be capitalism, but something that has allowed corporate interests and greed to subvert it into a system that allows said corporate interests to control the economy and government at large. I would guess probably 85% of the legislation that goes through congress has some corporate lobbying sponsoring it and pushing it through. That isn't capitalism.....

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Re: has anyone seen the wreck on ebay?
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2008, 04:32:33 pm »

What do you suggest instead? Perhaps the merging of corporation and state, as in fascism?

 :?

Hardly an appropriate recommendation for a laisser-faire capitalist like me!!  :-o
I wasn't clear. I wasn't asking what you would suggest in capitalism's place. Rather, I wa asking what you think we have now, if not capitalism.

Sorry for my confusion - I think it was how you used that "instead" word.

I think the name for our current system would be "not capitalism" - with the "not" part being silent.

Just ignore that the further we retreat from pure capitalism the more we approach some form of socialism.

Those are systems of the really nice because everyone really cares about being nice and sharing with everyone and everyone expects nothing in return because that wouldn't be nice.  :evil:
 
Communism could really work if it weren't for the greed of everybody!!  :-D

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Re: has anyone seen the wreck on ebay?
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2008, 09:32:30 am »
Yes, communism could work. All it would take is a bunch of selfless people. Anarchy could work, too, if people were perfect.

Monarchy works well, when the monarch is both really good and really good at it. It would be a perfect system, and, unlike anarchy, you need only one perfect person to make it work. Of course, once he dies...

It seems to me that capitalism inevitably leads to monopolies and fascism, just as monarchy leads to tyranny, and communism to whatever that abortion was they had in the Soviet Union. Political and economic systems are unstable, and always tip one ditrection or another if not constantly corected.
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Re: has anyone seen the wreck on ebay?
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2008, 01:15:04 pm »
Yes, communism could work. All it would take is a bunch of selfless people. Anarchy could work, too, if people were perfect.

Monarchy works well, when the monarch is both really good and really good at it. It would be a perfect system, and, unlike anarchy, you need only one perfect person to make it work. Of course, once he dies...

It seems to me that capitalism inevitably leads to monopolies and fascism, just as monarchy leads to tyranny, and communism to whatever that abortion was they had in the Soviet Union. Political and economic systems are unstable, and always tip one ditrection or another if not constantly corected.

Wow Isaac, I never realized you were so well brainwashed.

Consider just for a second - what if capitalism in a free marked was not "unstable" and didn't need constant correction as you have been led to believe?

Do you see?

Believing the "unstable", a source of change (which it is), corrections (change prevention mechanisms) can seem necessary. When normal change to market conditions is prevented, the non-adapting environment necessary for monopolies to thrive is created.

The entrenched monopolies prevent further change by killing off companies that could beat them all to heck in a free market situation by removing the necessary aspects of a free market. Like that little thing called competition.

Capitalism, in more of it's true form, with very little correction action (normally called interferrence) built the strongest country the world has ever known. The "Law of Supply and Demand"? Pure capitalism. But it doesn't exist when either side is attempted to be regulated. By itself, the law of supply and demand will guarantee that greed never enters the equation - and that is exactly why the greedy have to destroy it.

In the mid 19-teens, it was deemed by the powers that be that capitalism needed to be nicer - meaning nicer to greedy people. The federal reserve was created and through a few other "corrective actions" we as a country soon found ourselves in the greatest economic depression the world had seen in a long time.

And to get ourselves out of the depression mess?? We went towards socialism teachings. Social security, welfare... Heck, remember that "Income Tax" was instituted as a temporary emergency measure? Today it still proves itself as a valuable way for the innocent to pay the wages of the guilty.

Which is why the vast majorty are trained to firmly and completely believe our mess is the result of the nature of capitalism... and not the result of "corrective actions". If you knew better, you never would support those corrective actions... and a free open market is not in the best interest of monopolies.

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Re: has anyone seen the wreck on ebay?
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2008, 05:09:59 pm »
I was expressing an opinion. I see no need for insults, Joe.
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Re: has anyone seen the wreck on ebay?
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2008, 05:26:55 pm »
Ahh nothing quite tastes like Libertarian-Aid. Drinks down so smooth every time.
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Re: has anyone seen the wreck on ebay?
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2008, 08:37:45 am »
I was expressing an opinion. I see no need for insults, Joe.

No insult was intended.

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« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2008, 09:40:04 am »
I will always take an accusation of being brainwashed as insulting. Wouldn't you?
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Re: has anyone seen the wreck on ebay?
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2008, 11:02:23 am »
I will always take an accusation of being brainwashed as insulting. Wouldn't you?

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Re: has anyone seen the wreck on ebay?
« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2008, 01:31:12 pm »
I'm surprised. Implicit in being brainwashed is the inability to think for oneself. A brainwashed person has had his conclusions forced into his mind. He did not think about them and come to his own conclusions. To say that someone is brainwashed therefore completely devalues any effort of thought or research that person has done in order to reach his conclusion. It seems to me that anyone who considers himself a thinking person would be insulted by it.
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