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Offline sunnfever

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« on: February 21, 2006, 06:51:11 pm »
May have a line on a good source of NOS tubes(KT 88's) and want to know what the more experienced here think of them and specificly what they would do for my 2000s as compared to the GE 6550's that are in it now. Thanks.

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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2006, 07:02:45 pm »
Nothing that makes them worth $1000 a quad, IMO

The only amp I know of that NEEDS real KT88s is the Marshall Major; it won't make full power with anything other then them, or good EI KT90s.  In pretty much any other circuit the current 6550/KT88 versions sound fine.

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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2006, 07:21:53 pm »
I imagine it wont hurt to pick them up anyway as they were headed towards a garbage can before my intervention. The things people throw away! :roll:  Not much sound or power difference though? Well, the GE's wont last forever and how often does a chance find like this come along.

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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2006, 11:53:03 pm »
The KT88's will do better in the Sunn circuit than the GE 6550's will. Most of the Sunns have a B+ somewhere around 560v, and the screen voltage is up there too. This exceeds the max recommended level for the 6550, but is within the KT88's specs, so it will last longer. It probably will not make a power difference, but it may sound better because even though they are similar tubes, the KT88's are different than the 6550 and do sound different too.

Greg

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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2006, 12:04:34 am »
If the freebies turn out to be duds what vintage(nos) tubes do you recommend and do you feel any modern tubes are up to the challenge?

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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2006, 07:23:22 am »
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The KT88's will do better in the Sunn circuit than the GE 6550's will.

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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2006, 07:28:36 am »
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The KT88's will do better in the Sunn circuit than the GE 6550's will.



Ack, hit submit too soon....anyway, what does 'do better' mean?  Live longer?  I've got a '70 2000S with the original Tung-Sols that test at 70% of new.  And Tung-Sols have significantly lower ratings than 6550As.

Ratings should be noted but not necessarily taken as gospel - how many 6V6-powered amps adhere to the ratings?

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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2006, 08:37:16 am »
I checked older posts(took awhile) but found many good posts related to my question. I appreciate all opinions and look forward to the "the search" for the "perfect" tone! Thanks to all.

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« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2006, 02:04:56 am »
The old Tung-Sols were always very strong tubes and could often exceed their ratings and hold up. The GE 6550's were not very good as a comparison, so they came out with the GE 6550A, which was better, but they still don't hold up all that well when their screen voltage ratings are exceeded. They sound very good in an Ampeg SVT, but while these have a 700v plate voltage, the screens are pretty much hard set down around 300 to 400v, and thats within the ratings of the GE tube and they work well and sound fine there. The Sunn stuff often has a plate and screen voltage around 560v, and that is often too much for the GE 6550A, so they don't hold up well in this application. Some of the later GE 6550A tubes have pretty spotty quality....late 80's especially.

In modern 6550 types, the Winged C 6550C sounds quite good, and works well in an SVT, but again, doesn't like the Sunn circuit very much because of the high screen voltages. Much the same story with the other modern 6550 types out there...Chinese and Sovtek/EH ones. The new russian-made Tung-Sol 6550 is supposed to be very good at holding up under punishment, but I don't have any direct experience with those yet. The EI KT90 is very robust and decent sounding, but prewar is MUCH better than postwar in quality. A lot of the hi-fi guys like these. Pretty much any of the new KT88's will hold up just fine in the Sunn circuit, with the JJ being exceptional and very nice sounding in this application. Bob at Eurotubes is a big Sunn freak and sells only JJ tubes, and of course he uses them in his amps too. The KT88 isn';t all that much more expensive than the 6550, and since they last longer and sound as good or better, that is the route I choose to go with my Sunns. Besides, original issue on the Sunns was either Tung-Sol 6550's or Genelex KT88's, depending on the era. Can't go wrong with either choice.

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« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2006, 02:41:23 am »
Thanks for more advice. I am tinking of the JJ 88's for my sunn 2000's. They sound like a good modern choice. I hve a SVT 2 made in 1989 with svetlanas and have never liked the sound of it.I really want to sell or trade it to aquire more sunn stuff(I think a couple of 2000's would be heavenly!) I would rather get some nos tubes or another sunn amp or cab then trying to retube the SVT 2. My 2000's with the GE's still smoke the SVT I.M.O. Sounds like kt 88's old or new would make it even better!(If that's possible!)