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Offline the chupacabra

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412LH
« on: November 16, 2006, 05:30:37 pm »
So, I've seen quite a few references to the 412L on here and around the internet but not much about the 412LH.
What are the differences? The one I saw has 4 Eminence speakers, not sure which type. What's the story/background
on these things?

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Re: 412LH
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2006, 05:42:00 pm »
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Re: 412LH
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2006, 09:42:54 am »
I guess I just want to know the basics. Ohms. If the Eminence speakers in that one are the originals. What they are supposed to be like tone wise, especially for guitar. That thing is just bizarre looking and I'm kind of into it.

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Re: 412LH
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2006, 01:51:25 pm »
Why not ask the guy who's selling it? Cabinet impedance isn't hard to find out. Just put a meter across the input. It won't read the exact nominal impedance value, but it will be below that value, and fairly close to it. Might say 6.8 ohms, for instance, and you'd conclude that it's an 8 ohm cabinet.

There's no way anyone here can tell you if the Eminence drivers are original.

Tonewise, it depends a lot on the drivers, but it is a horn, and horns have certain characteristics.

Loud.

Band limited. This is a big horn, so you wouldn't lose much of anything on the low end as a result. Might lose some highs. This might be advantageous if you play with a lot of distortion.

Limited polar response (sometimes called dispersion). The sound will tend to project out into the room. It might be difficult to tell from on stage what the sound is like out in the audience, unless you kneel or crouch down in front of the cabinet. Actually, that's not a bad idea for everyone to try. Might be surprised. Anyway, limited polar response makes it a poor choice if you'll be playing rooms where the audience is likely to be very far off axis. Good for stadium gigs, bad for small clubs.

Those are my thought on it. YMMV
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Re: 412LH
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2006, 04:30:30 pm »
isaac actually touched on alot of good points / issues.  i wouldn't think that those eminence speakers are original.   mine has 4 sunn transducers (square backed).   but who knows really.  mine is rated at 4 ohms with these speakers.   yes, it does project and is very loud.   it actually compares to a full stack with just the one cabinet because of the horn design.  it's big and very awkward to move.   i  love the tone of mine which is kind of on the "trebley" side.  but that is subjective and can be changed with every variable you can think of.   personally, i think that this cabinet is not good for a touring band.  UNLESS, you have some roadies that carry and set up all your gear.  but, if you can get one cheap, definately do so.

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Re: 412LH
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2006, 05:42:44 pm »
Thanks for the info guys. Its being sold by a pawn shop so they don't know anything about it. I went and looked at it and it appers the back plate has been replaced at some point because there is no ohm rating or info of any kind. I need something to be 16ohms and I was hoping that if it wasnt it could be easily changed, like 4ohms, or that I'd be able to get it cheap enough that replacing the speakers would be worth it.

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Re: 412LH
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2006, 09:12:00 pm »
isaac actually touched on alot of good points / issues. 
As usual...
i wouldn't think that those eminence speakers are original.   mine has 4 sunn transducers (square backed).   but who knows really.
"Transducer" is just a technical term for what is commonly referred to as a "speaker". I know very little about Sunn gear after the early 70's, but the only 12" drivers I've seen labeled "Sunn Transducer" had AlNiCo motors, and I don't think they were using AlNiCo for magnets in the 412LH era.
Quite a strange configuration for a guitar cab though. It really looks like a low/mid range cabinet for a multi-amped PA system, it appears to be a  specifically tuned band specific horn.  In any case, as Isaac said, likely LOUD; probably louder at 15-20 ft than right in front of it, and it would want a BIG room to perform in. I would think it might be more suitable for bass use than guitar, but Sunn seemed to favor 15's for their big bass cabs.
Definitely an interesting cabinet, If anyone has first hand knowledge of the 412LH's intended use by Sunn, please enlighten us!