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Offline Papa Dog

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WTB 1st Gen Model T(s) and 412S cabs
« on: April 12, 2012, 02:25:42 am »
I am looking to buy 3 1st gen Model Ts
and 6 or more 412S cabs with the stock speakers.

Please message me if you have these items or know where they might be found.
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Re: WTB 1st Gen Model T(s) and 412S cabs
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2012, 10:22:48 am »
PappaDog you must be rich ?!

Ck this site out , I use alot in my search for Sunn gear:

http://www.allofcraigs.com/
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Re: WTB 1st Gen Model T(s) and 412S cabs
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2012, 12:57:00 pm »
somethin about this thread don't seem right.(could be wrong and i'll eat a bug)
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Re: WTB 1st Gen Model T(s) and 412S cabs
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2012, 11:37:22 pm »
Sturoc
I aint rich, I just know what I want.

Stanner
Which bug would you prefer?
What about this thread does not seem right to you?
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Re: WTB 1st Gen Model T(s) and 412S cabs
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2012, 02:15:45 pm »
Hi PapaDog-i am just trying to figure out what your vision is w/ that request. starting a doom band-investing-or just to have sunn in the house.
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Re: WTB 1st Gen Model T(s) and 412S cabs
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2012, 10:25:42 am »
Hi PapaDog-i am just trying to figure out what your vision is w/ that request. starting a doom band-investing-or just to have sunn in the house.

Stanner...I dont even know what a "doom" band is, so I won't be a startin' one.
If i had all the Sunn gear that I have had in the past I could retire, so investment for my children and grandchildrens inhearetance is a viable option.
At present I am running a Sound City 200+ stack, a Marshall JCM800 2203 stack, qand want at least one fully functional vintage correct Model T stack. Idealy I would want to have some "spares" lying about, but the truth is that the Sunn 412S sounds (to my tired old ears) better all around that the Sound City cabs or even the venerable Marshall 1960AV or 1960B.
If I could find 6 Sunn 412s cabs in good working order with the correct speakers (drivers) I would prolly leave the other gear at home and just use the "good stuff."
Remember, it aint always about beintg loud so much as it about being BIG.
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Re: WTB 1st Gen Model T(s) and 412S cabs
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2012, 11:59:20 am »
Stanner...I dont even know what a "doom" band is, so I won't be a startin' one.

Yeah, well I wouldn't be wasting a whole lot of time trying to find out either. I admit that I don't get it, but if you are "doom curious", here's a sample;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtnG6EHh1N4

I think probably one of the reasons it's popular is because anyone can learn a barre chord and claim to be in a "doom band"; you don't need to bother actually learning to play an instrument.

Remember, it aint always about beintg loud so much as it about being BIG.

I DO get that, good luck in your search Papa!

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Re: WTB 1st Gen Model T(s) and 412S cabs
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2012, 12:21:07 pm »
I hope you can find at least one of these stacks! I'd love to get a hold of a 412S cabinet, but no one seems to want to give one up.
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Re: WTB 1st Gen Model T(s) and 412S cabs
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2012, 05:28:38 pm »
I have tried to explain to bandmates in the not so serious side group I've been playing in  ( mainly to bring back my old chops ) that the single 12 combo amps and the single 15 for bass at rehearsal space is not conducive to great tone. They kinda get it Since i got a pair of 215BH monsters.

When i hooked up one of the guitarist's combo amp spkr outs to an old fender 4 x12 . He hits a chord and his eyes lit up and said "yeeeahh that's it "
I tell em " it's not about the volume and being ear busting loud, it's all about fullness and the tones!"

So I see where Papa D is coming from, i think.
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Re: WTB 1st Gen Model T(s) and 412S cabs
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2012, 09:08:46 pm »
Let me re-phase this way...I would rather to run 3x50 watters thru 6 4x12 cabs than to run 300 watts thru one or two 12s.
I would rather to run 3x150 watts thru 6 4x12 cabs than 450 watts through one 4x12, or even 2 4x12s.
There is, of course, a point of deminishing returns, but 6 4x12s is below the threshold (IMHO) and provides a nice full "wall" of tone.
Of course it matters little how many speakers you are running if your amp tone is crap or you do not have some degree of "touch" or "mojo" in yer playing.
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Re: WTB 1st Gen Model T(s) and 412S cabs
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2012, 01:42:25 am »
Let me re-phase this way...I would rather to run 3x50 watters thru 6 4x12 cabs than to run 300 watts thru one or two 12s.

Three 50 watt amps through six 412’s would have the potential to create around 2.5 times the sound pressure level and be almost twice as loud as a 300 watt amp through a pair of 12’s.

I would rather to run 3x150 watts thru 6 4x12 cabs than 450 watts through one 4x12, or even 2 4x12s.

So would three 150 watt amps through six 412’s vs. a 450 watt amp through a single 412, however if you added a second 412 to the 450 watt amp the six cab rig would only be about 4.5 dB louder.

There is, of course, a point of deminishing returns, but 6 4x12s is below the threshold (IMHO) and provides a nice full "wall" of tone.
Of course it matters little how many speakers you are running if your amp tone is crap or you do not have some degree of "touch" or "mojo" in yer playing.

Multiple identical cabs don't really have any effect on "tone", multiple cabs only make the rig louder.
Of course up to a certain level louder many time sounds better, at least it does to me.
As far as a “nice full wall of tone”, that omnipresent surround effect would only be really noticeable in a near field proximity, and aligning all of those cabs would be critical do avoid phase issues that could defeat to SPL gains to the audience inherent to the multiple speaker array.

IMO the only benefits to running a huge stage rig are if you need to be seriously LOUD on stage, or the image it conveys. In the olden days Sound Reinforcement technology wasn’t up to the challenge of big venues and loud rock and roll acts. Stage gear needed to fill the rooms, and huge stacks was the only way to do it; seriously LOUD on stage.
Nowadays dummy cabs (like most big touring acts use) and megawatt SR systems are far easier to move than the real deal if “the look” is what you’re after.
However there is no arguing the investment potential of the vintage gear IMO, as I tell my wife whenever the subject comes up…