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Offline ryco

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Concert 215S "tuning"
« on: May 30, 2015, 11:39:51 am »
What is the "tuning" of a Concert 215S speaker cabinet?

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Offline EdBass

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Re: Concert 215S "tuning"
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2015, 02:17:19 pm »
Well, they were "tuned" to sound good with a bass guitar, kinda like old Ampegs, Fenders, Acoustics, etc. were. Those old cabs pre-date TS Parameters, which generally confounds the crop of "instant expert" self proclaimed speaker cab designers  that have cropped up since WinISD became available as free ware.
Of course WinISD and to a greater extent the more sophisticated (and expensive) enclosure software are a tremendous time (and wood) saver, however in my experience their real value lies in calculating efficient boxes for reproducing program audio, like for home audio or sound reinforcement applications rather than for sound producing MI boxes like bass guitar cabs, guitar cabs, etc.

A lot of the time the variations from theoretical "optimum" in MI cabs is what actually makes them sound good when used with an instrument for sound production. For example; an SVT 810 is a disaster according to what theory (and therefore the "internet experts") say a cab designed to optimally reproduce the sound spectrum of a bass guitar cab should respond like, but for some reason the thousands of real professional sound folks continue to use them on pro sages across the planet.
I suppose the problem is that those folks are just too busy with recording contracts, filled stadiums and such to read internet forums, so they just don't realize that the rigs actually sound like crap...
Same goes for open backed guitar cabs, the unenlightened players like, say Joe Bonamassa, Jeff Beck, Clapton, etc. for example, obviously are completely unaware that those open backed combo's are absolutely horrible at reproducing sound. ;)
Imagine how much better their tone would be if they only took advice from all of the internet forum "wanna be" speaker designing gurus...

Obviously I digress. Your best bet is to try something reasonable, the 215S is a very forgiving box indeed. I have personally put a myriad of old and new speakers in my 215S cabs. My "for the time being" go to is a pair of EVM15L's, which I personally prefer over the EVM15B's and EV SRO's I've also tried in the box.
It sounds great with AlNiCo JBLs, however I pound  my go to cab with a strong 400 watt tube amp cranked up pretty good and don't really want to sacrifice one of them if I get a little too enthusiastic at a gig or something.
In the near(?) future I'm going with a real "sleeper" driver that I have some experience with, a couple of cover band gigs; the WGS BG15C. To my ear they are tonally kind of a cross between the EVM15L and a K140, EV like power handling and mid-high extension with that rich JBLesque bottom end when loaded in a 215S. I am planning to load a pair of 215S cabs with the 16 ohm versions when I get around to it.
I figure I can bring one or both depending on the venue, without worrying about damage; they are new, inexpensive, and can take a ton of power.
The rest of my Sunn cabs will be completely relegated to Sunn head and AlNiCo JBL use, vintage duty, which as we all know ain't bad either!

Offline ryco

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Re: Concert 215S "tuning"
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2015, 03:07:11 pm »
Thank you, EdBass!

Always enjoy your responses!
Thank you for the recommendation of the  WGS BG15C. The price is right and knowing you are a serious SunnHead with lots of speaker experience, I appreciate the recommendation! Would like this cab to be a no-worry functional cab. Not necessaroly a total restore to Sunn spec.

One question: why go 16Ω instead of 8Ω? The heads I plan to use are a 200s and a Concert.
EDIT: Answer = because you are going to "load A PAIR of 215S cabs." Boy, EB - would I like to peek into YOUR garage!!
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Re: Concert 215S "tuning"
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2015, 04:32:28 pm »
With 16 ohm drivers you can parallel them to get an 8 ohm cab 2X15 cab, and running two cabs would parallel to 4 ohms which works well with my tube amps which are 8 & 4 or 8,4 & 2 ohm tapped.

I think 8 ohm cabs are the most versatile for most applications all around, and although your Concert will output more power into a 4 ohm load, the SPL difference between running it into an 8 or 4 ohm cab will be negligible. The Concert will also run cooler and "happier" seeing an 8 ohm load.
Your 200S doesn't care, just as long as the load matches the OT tap you have it hooked to.

That said, for your use it really isn't critical, 16 or 8 ohm drivers would work.

EDIT: Just saw YOUR edit!

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Re: Concert 215S "tuning"
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2015, 12:47:18 pm »
Come on Ed, show some recent pictures of your storage unit. Weren't you using an old van for overflow once?
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