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« on: September 05, 2002, 03:23:00 am »
If any one has one of these babies in working cond. and would be willing to sell, please email me!! Or if you know where one is and the contact info...! I would prefer the "second" generation ones(ie: those WITH the mid selector under the mid know)

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I have one that is acting very strange, and is the main part of my guitar tone!! In other words I sound like crap with out this amp in my rig! Hopefully I will be able to get this one fixed, but will always want/need a back up, or just to add to the normal mix of my rig!!! Thanks for any help!

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« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2002, 03:16:00 pm »
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Thanks for any help you can give!!!
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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2002, 09:13:00 am »
What is wrong with the one you have, maybe we here at the board can help you fix it.  
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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2002, 06:30:00 am »
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On 2002-09-15 08:13, Bill Matthews wrote:
What is wrong with the one you have, maybe we here at the board can help you fix it.  

Thank you for the consideration!!!!
Well ok, here we go!
I know what one of the problems is, one of the pre amp tubes-the middle one-is not working correctly. But that just started a day or two ago. It was lighting up fine before then, but now it takes about 30-40 minutes to 'light up'.

The volume cuts DOWN when you turn the master past 7, of course I read the SUNN Sec GEN MODS thread, and that guy explaind this defect. So many thanks to him for all the good info he put up!!!

But before the pre amp tube problem mentioned above, the sound was getting scarthy, noiser, and crackly! The amp takes a LONG while to 'warm up' and get a decent tone. The master volume, is REAL scratchy at any volume. And it has started 'humming' and creating more feedback than it ever has before.
And, at the last show I used this amp at, the 'BOTH' input did not seem to sound/work right either, but since then it does! Only one time since the show has it acted strange. When it does this it sounds like ONLY the brite is coming through, even with the brite volume truned down lower than the normal volume.

The only amp tech in the area, that I TRUST, is gone for about two-three months, and I need an amp now! HAHA! I have shows in the next two months, & recoding time as well. And I'll always want more of these amps! Their the BEST! I'll need back up's for when stuff like this happens, and I hope to get at least two-three of the puppies in my normal 'live rig'! anyway!

I apprciate any help any one can give towards the repair of my amp, or the finding of another one the to be bought!! THANK YOU!!

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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2002, 06:34:00 am »
I'm sorry the amount of bad spelling, and 'not so helpfull' description's in my last post! I'm not that good at either! HAHAHA


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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2002, 07:20:00 am »
Metal Beast... thanks for reading my article.

In case anyone is curious... it is a misty rainy morning in Chicago!

I'm not sure which tube you are calling the middle one.  If you mean the one between the two in the front and the 4 power tubes towards the rear, that would be the phase inverter/driver tube.  If you mean the second tube from the left in the front, that would be the second preamp stage.

The first rather obvious rule of thumb, anytime you suspect a tube problem, replace the tube.  If you use the amp a lot, and the preamp tubes haven't been replaced in say... 3-5 years, replace them all.  

Also make sure you are using the metal shields on every tube.  Get some if you aren't and they are not that expensive.  But they go a long way in cutting out the tendency for the amp to oscillate (which can happen above a frequency that your speakers can reproduce) causing really lousy sound.  They also shield the tube from any stray RF or electrical interference - important for a low level high gain stage.

Dirty or worn out pots, used for the controls, can cause a lot of the symptoms you describe - from a channel cutting out to the scratchy sounding master volume.  If you can get a channel to "come back" by jiggling the volume gontrol for the channel that seems to have "gone away", then this is definitely that problem.  

Clean the controls with pot cleaner - remember you need to get the cleaner INTO the control and you don't want to get the outside and the rest of the chassis all wet with the stuff.  Do each control, move the control quickly through a few turns several times, then do them all again just for luck.  It's best to remove the chassis from the cabinent for this.  If that doesn't do the trick, the controls are worn and should be replaced.  

I did quite a lot of writing about amp hums buried in the last page of the article, so after the above you might want to read through it and adjust the hum balance control as I explained there.  It is possible that you may need to replace the electrolytic caps.

Replacing caps and controls is not rocket surgery.  If you know how to solder you can do it yourself, just take what's there out and put the new one back in exactly the way you took it out.  If you are not confident in your ability to do this... or just don't want to mess with it, then I would take the chassis out of the head, removing the tubes putting them in a safe place, and take the chassis to any radio/TV repair place in the area.  If you buy the controls/caps yourself it will even be cheaper, and it shouldn't cost you more than a couple/three hours of labor.  

You can certainly replace the preamp tubes and unless you have money to throw away, I wouldn't pay someone for that.

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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2002, 11:09:00 am »
thanks JOE!! I'll look into what you said about the pots, and every thing else fot that matter! HAHA

The tube I was talking about was the one, while facing the front of the amp, appears to be in the mid front of the amp. Closer to the tube on it's right, your left, than the left tube! does that help! HAHAHA