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Offline stevecara123

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model t, 1200. which ones better?
« on: February 02, 2007, 03:53:09 am »
i play bass. i'm stuck between the two in which one i should go for. I need help!!!!!!!!!

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Re: model t, 1200. which ones better?
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2007, 05:10:24 pm »
That's easy. Go with the one you like more.

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Re: model t, 1200. which ones better?
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2007, 05:57:21 am »
i havn't used them properly though so i dont know. Thats why i'm asking. I play quite heavy sludgy music mixed with nice ambient stuff. any constructive help would be really apreiceated! its alot of money that i havn't got so i don't want to make the wrong choice.

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Re: model t, 1200. which ones better?
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2007, 09:32:19 am »
Pretty much the same story as the last thread you started about this subject:
my mistake it's a 450 watt. Its a peavey max 450. my 4 10 cab can handle upto 700, thats a peavey and my 1 15 is a peavey black widow, that can cope with 1000 watt.

Both types of amps can sound great, and both have their place. IMO, you just can't beat a well maintained all tube amp for tone, but solid state is infinitely more practical; lighter, smaller, less maintenence.
The 1200 is a lot more amp than you have now. A 300T will smoke that Peavey in every way except portability and long term operating expense.
Now that you are comparing the 1200 to a Model T instead of a 300T, you are dropping the tube amp power considerably, but the analogy still applies.
If you want loud, 1200 watts @ 2 ohms will get you there, if you want nasty tube grind with less db's, a dimed Model T is probably the better choice.

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Re: model t, 1200. which ones better?
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2007, 09:39:19 am »
ok, thanks. so with the 300t will the same apply with the grindy tube amp sound?

Also what sort of prices are resonable? i've seen a 1200 for $899???

thanks alot

steve

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Re: model t, 1200. which ones better?
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2007, 11:47:21 am »
ok, thanks. so with the 300t will the same apply with the grindy tube amp sound?
Pretty much, but the 300T will get a lot louder before you saturate those 6 6550's. I don't have any hands on experience with a 300T other than playing with the Fender version at GC, but it seems to have a very versatile pre amp circuit, much more so than any of my Sunn tube dinosaurs.
The 1200S is equally versatile, has more power potential, and is infinitely more practical from a logistics angle.
Keep in mind, you could literally fit 3 1200S's in the 300T's cabinet, and the 1200S weighs less than half of what a 300T weighs.
Also, keep in mind that you are really talking about Fender amps that say Sunn on them. I have no problem with Fender amps, but they aren't the same as the Sundholm era Sunn gear that I'm a huge fan of.
I personally like the sound and richness of tubes, and nearly always use tube amps to play. Transistor amps are fine, I have some and I do occasionally use them. In the early 90's my tonal goal was a "plucked Steinway Grand piano", and spent piles of money in my pursuit. Clean, clear ringing tone while still moving substantial air in the bottom frequencies. It's difficult to get a tube amp to do that anywhere near as well as a transistor amp. A really BIG transistor amp. The "Seinfeld" soundtrack sound is difficult to attain without transistors (and active pickups).   
For the last decade or so I'm back into a very fat, round, warm sound that snarls a little if you lean into it, growls when you push it, and goes all John Wetton on you when you really hammer it. Try that with transistors.

Also what sort of prices are resonable? i've seen a 1200 for $899???
Got me, I would suggest paying the least amount you can. Look on eBay, if you catch it in a down swing you can still steal something.

 

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Re: model t, 1200. which ones better?
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2007, 10:03:00 am »
thanks alot for the info you've provided me with. i think i'm going to go for a 300t, now i've just got to find one!!! You've been a massive help mate, cheers.

Now! any idea where to find one? theres nothing on ebay i can find and i've been trekking through search engines for hours to no avail!

thanks

steve

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Re: model t, 1200. which ones better?
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2007, 05:44:11 pm »
eBay, Craigslist (occasionally), and pawn shops are really where most of the Sunn gear for sale is these days.  Mostly eBay.  Don't worry if you can't find one now, one will come up eventually. You just have to keep an eye out for it.

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Re: model t, 1200. which ones better?
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2007, 04:36:02 am »
winner! thanks alot guys! fingers crossed