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Offline mratcliffe

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Conrad's New Blues Jammer amplifier
« on: June 14, 2007, 07:15:58 am »
Hi, I know this is a Sunn forum, but I think anything Conrad is doing would be fair game also.

I am very curious about this amp and have written Conrad and getting the skinny on it. He sent me a music clip of a guy playing it but I don't think it was miced properly to give it justice. Can anyone tell me about it from personal experience? It's around 2000 bucks and I have managed to scrape up half so far. I own a Fender Blues Deville 4-10 that just kicks ass for guitar. I tried a re-issure Bassman but was not impressed and sold it. Over the years I have had both Marshall and Fender and came to realize that I like the warmer fender type of tube distortion. I also have a sonaro 2 6550 made in 1970, that is great for my p-bass but doesn't do much for me when it comes to guitar. That's ok, the right tool for the right job. Anyway back to Conrad's new amp. I am always searching for that new sound. Permant wanderlust you might call it. So if anyone has some feedback on this new amp, it would be greatly appreciated.

Mark

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Re: Conrad's New Blues Jammer amplifier
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2007, 04:23:47 pm »
Mark, I'm very familier with that amp and play the first one made every week as the host of the jam I go to bought it from Conrad. I was also involved in the development of it to a certain extent, but I'm not sure what Conrad wants divulged about the design of it, or the process that led to that, so I'll just tell you about my impressions of it and give a couple obscure clues.

The first thing about it is that it is a very nice and versatile amp, just about perfect for small club gigs and home use. The version I've played the most has a Weber Blue Dog in it and I think that sounds best so far of the ones I've played. It has a master volume, gain control, a mid, treble, and bass, and reverb. It has standby and is cathode biased. It is similar to a Deluxe Reverb in the sound department, but is clearer and more complex at the same time. It has some elements of the Supro Thunderbolt in it in addition to some other amps. It is very touch responsive and sounds great with a variety of guitars. I've personally played an Epiphone Dot, an Epiphone Les Paul, a Strat, some Rickenbackers and a Tele through it, none with stock pickups except the Rickenbackers and all sound great. The sound sample you spoke of is probably one that I recorded live at this jam I spoke of above with a stereo mic and a minidisc recorder. I have another recording that is closer to the amp so you get less extraneous noises but I haven't edited it and sent it to Conrad yet. Conrad's Blues Jammer is way better than your Fender Blues Deville, as I'm sure you'll find out if you decide to get it. I'd get one myself except that I can and do build my own amps though I don't have a product of my own out yet....maybe some day. Anyway, overall, its a very cool amp and I expect that you'll be seeing some magazine reviews of it as time goes on in some popular magazines.

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Re: Conrad's New Blues Jammer amplifier
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2007, 06:15:51 am »
Thank you, Thank you and Thank  you. If that's you playing on the track that I have, my congratulations to you on your playing the blues!

Does this amp have a pre-amp out to do direct recoding via mixer or is everything done by mic? He said it didn't have channel swithing and was pretty much a "one trick" poney but that it really delivered that "one trick" proud.

Sorry, I don't have much experience with the Weber's are they better than Celestion, EV or JBL' or Eminence? My Fender has the alnico's I believe they have the blue sticker, they are so-so.

Mark

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Re: Conrad's New Blues Jammer amplifier
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2007, 02:08:18 pm »
Its not me playing...I wish I could play that well! Its probably Suburban Slim, who plays in a local band called the Strangetones, you can find their info on their site. Slim is the bald one.

http://www.strangetones.com/

I've recorded several people using the amp so its hard to say who is on the recording you listened to without hearing it myself.

The amp doesn't have a preamp out, though I'm sure Conrad could incorporate something like that for a price if you asked. It wouldn't sound as good as miking though as an amp like this gets a lot of it's tone from the phase inverter and power amp, which wouldn't be in the equation if you had a preamp out. All the recording I did is with a stereo Audio Technica mic hooked up to a Sony minidisc that was 10 feet from the stage pretty much centered in the room so you can hear the whole band playing. Sometimes I'll record up close to the amp but then you don't hear the rest of the band or the vocals as well. Sometimes there will be digital dropouts in the disc, so when I record it into the computer toput on cd, I have to edit out the problems, which is why sometimes if you hear the whole clip, the song appears to go out of time briefly.

It is a one channel amp but does that sound extremely well. In my experience, the more channels and effects in the amp, the more the tone gets screwed with to where it doesn't sound as good. One of the best amps I've ever heard/played was a 1949 Fender Pro. No reverb, no trem, just tone. Conrad's amp is of the same philisophy and was meant for people who want to play the blues with it, and was partly inspired by the players at the jam I dragged him out to at Duff's garage several years back. All the recordings were here at this jam and its a weekly event that Conrad sometimes makes it to. The amp will work for all types of music though, not just blues.

Weber speakers (Ted Weber and not Gerald Weber btw) are in my opinion the best thing going at the moment. His customer service is second to none, and he has the most vintage correct Jensen designs out. His Blue Dog is a copy of the Celestion Blue and does a very close copy of the sound, with the Celestion being slightly better, but twice the price. He's coming out with a clone of the D series JBL's soon too which is great for all those who want that big, clear and clean JBL sound, and/or who need oldJBL's reconed like me. He is often sought out to design speakers for Eminence and Fender among others. He had a hand in Eminence's 'name' series of speakers like the Patriots and Red Coats and what not. Check out Ted's site, and also his bbs and forums. A lot of good info there.

www.tedweber.com


Greg


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Re: Conrad's New Blues Jammer amplifier
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2007, 04:09:42 pm »

I don't know about the rest of you...

But my HYPE detector all of a sudden started going off big time!!

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Re: Conrad's New Blues Jammer amplifier
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2007, 07:30:38 pm »
I'm just giving honest answers to what the guy is asking about Conrad's amp, and since I'm probably the only person on this site thats seen it, it seems appropriate for me to answer the questions. I don't see where the hype is coming in Joe?

Is it the best amp ever made?

No, like any amp it does certain things well and other things not so well.

Is it a good sounding, well built amp that will work well for home use and smaller gigs?

Yes, exactly, and if you like the sound samples and the look, and the price, then go for it. If not, then look elsewhere.

As far as Weber's speakers, he has a very good and well deserved reputation that he has built up over many years. He may not float everyone's boat with his products, but I like them myself because they sound good and the price is reasonable, and his customer service is excellent. I gave the guy my opinion on Weber since he doesn't know much about them,and pointed him to Weber's site so he can learn more. Since Conrad uses a lot of Weber speakers it seemed appropriate.

As far as posting the link to the Strangetones....the guy made a remark about the guy playing the guitar on the recording. Since I've made all of the recordings so far that Conrad has in relation to his Blues Jammer amp, and I know which ones I've given him, then Suburban Slim of the Strangetones is probably the player. If the guy likes it, then he might like more, so hence the link.

If someone can't answer honest questions from a poster on here without your hype detector going off, then you've got a problem Joe. Any hype in my postsweren't intentional, and Conrad is making a good product with his Blues Jammer amp. I think he should get it up on his site ASAP but thats up to him to do.

If anyone wants more info on the amps that Conrad makes, the best source is to ask him directly as I can't seem to provide any help or info without JoeArthur's hype detector going off.......

Greg

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Re: Conrad's New Blues Jammer amplifier
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2007, 03:05:19 pm »

Gee Greg - do you really know people that still fall for that "my feelings have been hurt so therefore I must be innocent" ploy?

You know precisely what I meant. I am not speaking for anyone else but myself - don't insult my intelligence. I do not insult yours.

This is my definition of hype: a belief that more money paid for less is better than less money paid for more.

What's yours?

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Re: Conrad's New Blues Jammer amplifier
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2007, 12:48:02 am »
Well Joe, I didn't quite know what was setting your hype detector off, and from what you're saying it seems like you don't like the idea of paying lots of money for an amp that sounds great but only does a couple sounds? So go buy a Line 6 that will do tons of sounds, but none of them sound as good as a nice tube amp. There are lots of amps out there that sound good at one thing and don't sound as good at other things....heck, most of the vintage amps are like that.

Conrad's amp is just as versatile as any of the old Fenders, but in my mind, that makes it somewhat of a one trick pony, and thats ok. The reason it is so expensive is Conrad builds them all by hand, and uses premium parts and a well thought out chassis arrangement, circuit layout, and top notch construction techniques. Mercury Magnetics transformers have a well deserved reputation for their products, but they cost more than double over a similar Heyboer, yet Conrad goes with the MM because they often sound better and his customers are willing to pay the price premium. His amp is in the price ballpark for a handmade amp of this type. Look at a Victoria or a THD or a Divided by 13 or whatever those things are and the price is similar. I wasn't going out of my way to hype anything...I was just trying to answer the guy's questions as honestly as I can and you come back and post a sarcastic remark that is obviously calling into question what I said rather than trying to help the guy. Of course thats going to get my gander up. Maybe that was your intention? If you don't have anything to say about a product from first hand experience, then why cop a superior attitude and attack someone who has played it? Do you have anything constructive to contribute as to whether the amp is good or not, or is worth the price or not?

Personally, I play a Vox AC30 and love it, but Conrad's Blues Jammer sounds pretty good to my ears too, and sounds better than my Vox for blues gigs, and it is certainly a more suitable volume for the smaller venues than my big Vox is. That doesn't mean I am going to go buy one and tell everyone they need one too because I can build my own amps and have things planned for that sound myself. I don't see where the hype is, and since you're the only one raising the point, that is why I said you have a problem. You always seem really grouchy and quick to point fingers and have a superior attitude on these boards, so maybe you have a quick trigger, but whatever. I'm not trying to hype anything or poke fun at anyone or ruffle anyone's feathers but it seems I've set you off. I don't see where I was insulting your intelligence at all? I told people to go talk to Conrad about it if they want to know more because I don't like getting into pointless arguments when I can spend the time doing something else more productive, like working on amps. Since you seem to treat this site as your personal domain where only you have the correct answers, then why should I waste my time further as you'll just keep bringing up more hype detector bullshit.

Further, you say "This is my definition of hype: a belief that more money paid for less is better than less money paid for more."

More features don't necessarily mean better tone. Many of the best amps I've ever heard have almost no circuitry in them. A '49 Pro, a Supro Thunderbolt, Fender Champs, etc. are all examples of some great amps, yet they have very simple tube circuitry. You take a Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier as an example of a very complicated amp, and it's clean sound is horrible, and all it does is the one heavily saturated distortion tone. I have one of these and every time I play it I get pissed off at it and put it away again, since I want to be able to use it's clean channel but most amps sound better than it. I keep it around to do that one distorted, grungy tone, which is something that those Voxes and Fenders, and Conrads amp just can't do, and thats ok. Since everyone hears differently, one amp will sound good to one person, while the same amp doesn't sound as good to another. Thats why there are so many amps out there. If you don't think the guy should buy an amp like Conrad's, then point to whatever your definition of good tone is instead of attacking me for trying to answer someone's questions. I've got better things to do than to get into online arguments with someone I've never met who always seems to go out of his way to point out faults in other people.

Greg
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Re: Conrad's New Blues Jammer amplifier
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2007, 03:14:39 am »
Well Joe, I didn't quite know what was setting your hype detector off, and from what you're saying it seems like you don't like the idea of paying lots of money for an amp that sounds great but only does a couple sounds? So go buy a Line 6 that will do tons of sounds, but none of them sound as good as a nice tube amp. There are lots of amps out there that sound good at one thing and don't sound as good at other things....heck, most of the vintage amps are like that.

Conrad's amp is just as versatile as any of the old Fenders, but in my mind, that makes it somewhat of a one trick pony, and thats ok. The reason it is so expensive is Conrad builds them all by hand, and uses premium parts and a well thought out chassis arrangement, circuit layout, and top notch construction techniques. Mercury Magnetics transformers have a well deserved reputation for their products, but they cost more than double over a similar Heyboer, yet Conrad goes with the MM because they often sound better and his customers are willing to pay the price premium. His amp is in the price ballpark for a handmade amp of this type. Look at a Victoria or a THD or a Divided by 13 or whatever those things are and the price is similar. I wasn't going out of my way to hype anything...I was just trying to answer the guy's questions as honestly as I can and you come back and post a sarcastic remark that is obviously calling into question what I said rather than trying to help the guy. Of course thats going to get my gander up. Maybe that was your intention? If you don't have anything to say about a product from first hand experience, then why cop a superior attitude and attack someone who has played it? Do you have anything constructive to contribute as to whether the amp is good or not, or is worth the price or not?

Personally, I play a Vox AC30 and love it, but Conrad's Blues Jammer sounds pretty good to my ears too, and sounds better than my Vox for blues gigs, and it is certainly a more suitable volume for the smaller venues than my big Vox is. That doesn't mean I am going to go buy one and tell everyone they need one too because I can build my own amps and have things planned for that sound myself. I don't see where the hype is, and since you're the only one raising the point, that is why I said you have a problem. You always seem really grouchy and quick to point fingers and have a superior attitude on these boards, so maybe you have a quick trigger, but whatever. I'm not trying to hype anything or poke fun at anyone or ruffle anyone's feathers but it seems I've set you off. I don't see where I was insulting your intelligence at all? I told people to go talk to Conrad about it if they want to know more because I don't like getting into pointless arguments when I can spend the time doing something else more productive, like working on amps. Since you seem to treat this site as your personal domain where only you have the correct answers, then why should I waste my time further as you'll just keep bringing up more hype detector bullshit.

Further, you say "This is my definition of hype: a belief that more money paid for less is better than less money paid for more."

More features don't necessarily mean better tone. Many of the best amps I've ever heard have almost no circuitry in them. A '49 Pro, a Supro Thunderbolt, Fender Champs, etc. are all examples of some great amps, yet they have very simple tube circuitry. You take a Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier as an example of a very complicated amp, and it's clean sound is horrible, and all it does is the one heavily saturated distortion tone. I have one of these and every time I play it I get pissed off at it and put it away again, since I want to be able to use it's clean channel but most amps sound better than it. I keep it around to do that one distorted, grungy tone, which is something that those Voxes and Fenders, and Conrads amp just can't do, and thats ok. Since everyone hears differently, one amp will sound good to one person, while the same amp doesn't sound as good to another. Thats why there are so many amps out there. If you don't think the guy should buy an amp like Conrad's, then point to whatever your definition of good tone is instead of attacking me for trying to answer someone's questions. I've got better things to do than to get into online arguments with someone I've never met who always seems to go out of his way to point out faults in other people.

Greg

Come on Greg, let's play nice. Joe may have taken umbrage with your pandering towards Mr. Sundholm and Ted Weber, but you have posted a personal assault and I think it's in very poor taste.
Debate technical info until the apocalypse, but your personal tirade against Joe brings to mind the quote; " Thou dost protest too loudly", and has a propensity to negate any positive points you may tender for the thinking person. Defend your position, but why would you invite a "who's done what with their lives" battle in the musical amplification realm that we all know you stand little or no chance of winning?
This is a great site; let’s keep it from turning into a cat fight.


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Re: Conrad's New Blues Jammer amplifier
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2007, 01:18:03 pm »
I apologize for the personal comments. It stems from Joe's propensity to attack someone with sarcasm when he doesn't like something they say, which is bound to set just about anyone receiving that treatment off. This isn't the first time I've seen Joe do this which is why I brought it up. You'll notice that Joe started the negative attacks with his post. I wasn't intentionally pandering towards anyone...I was giving my opinion about the products involved in response to a question about them. If that bothers someone who doesn't share that opinion, then bring up a competing product or point out some problems with said products instead of attacking me for voicing my opinion in response to someone who needed info about said products. I can do without the sarcastic attacks on posts that I've given that call into question my motives and make it look like I'm trying to sell other people's products. I don't work for anyone here and am not trying to sell any of the products mentioned. They're good enough that they can and do sell without any help from me. Others here on this board know me and know that I don't try to hype anything. If I like a product, then I am enthused about it and will give my opinion. If people don't like my enthusiasm, then that is too bad and they are entitled to disagree, but please don't bring sarcasm into it, or calling into question people's motives when you don't have any helpful info to bring to a subject yourself.

Greg

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Re: Conrad's New Blues Jammer amplifier
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2007, 11:19:30 am »
The way I see it, we're all Sunn fans here. If we can't pander to Conrad Sundholm, the Sunn God, then whom can we pander to?
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Re: Conrad's New Blues Jammer amplifier
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2007, 01:35:10 pm »
I never took it as hype. I'm glad I got some good information on the amp, how it was recorded and the speakers and a little history. That's why I come to this board. Hope nothing changes

The cost is up there but sounds like it's worth it. I like one trick poney's that concentrate on sound, no matter the cost if it's being hand-built by one of the best.

Thanks Greg.

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Re: Conrad's New Blues Jammer amplifier
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2007, 04:47:02 pm »
You're welcome Mark. If you need any more info about it, feel free to ask, though maybe you might want to do it in a PM or an email. I wouldn't want anyone to think I'm trying to hype anything. If it is something I can't or shouldn't answer, then I'll let you know that and you can ask Conrad directly.

The Blues Jammer is expensive, and only you can decide if it is worth it or not. If you decide to get one, maybe you can share your experience on here for some doubters. For myself, when I go to the jam every week, I look forward to playing Conrad's amp there as it is essentially the house amp on one side of the stage every week. I used to look forward to playing Slim's '64 Deluxe Reverb, but while Conrad's amp is around the same sound quality, it is a little louder, and that makes all the difference right there. For Slim, Conrad's amp is lighter and a little louder, and gives him the same essential sound, and gives him a master volume flexibility, which is useful for smaller gigs. He hasn't brought the DR since he got the Blues Jammer.

Now if we could only get Isaac to come to the jam and bring his Sunn 200S and cabinet again!

Greg

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Re: Conrad's New Blues Jammer amplifier
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2007, 05:59:41 pm »
maybe I'm blind, but I can't seem to find any prices for these things


I suppose I could email conrad