Conrad's New Blues Jammer amplifier

[EdBass]

The way I see it, we're all Sunn fans here. If we can't pander to Conrad Sundholm, the Sunn God, then whom can we pander to?

Good point Issac! Without Mr. Sundholm this site wouldn't exist.
Now, be nice to me or I'll recalculate your impedance.

[mratcliffe]

No, You're not blind, i had the same problem. It's best to email or call the shop. He's real good about getting back with you within a day.

[Soundmasterg]

Conrad knows that he needs to get that info on his site, but he's had some problems with getting together with the guy who runs his website. He also needs to get the sound clips up, and pictures, etc. I have some more sound clips that I recorded for him a couple weeks back that I still need to record into the computers and edit out pops and dropouts, etc., and he'll get those too. Best to email or call him if you want to know something you can't find elsewhere. He's good about responding quickly.

Greg

[JoeArthur]

Greg,

This is a simple question.

Does Conrad know that you are using this website to promote his current non-Sunn products?

I only ask because he has never done so himself.

Thanks!

[Soundmasterg]

I don't know if Conrad knows or not Joe. I haven't seen him or spoken to him in a couple weeks except in an email, and that had nothing to do with what was being discussed here. It isn't my intention to go out of my way to promote anything, whether it be Conrad's amps or any others. As I said before, the guy asked some questions about the amp, and I answered before with the knowledge I had about it, while trying to not divulge anything about it that Conrad wouldn't want to be on a public forum. I can't help it if I like something to be a little enthusiastic about it. I will say that Conrad's Blues Jammer amp can sound a little harsh in the mids to my ear depending on where people have the treble control set, but you can usually say that about any amp except maybe a vintage Gibson. (since they're so dark) Conrad hasn't asked me to not share any info about the amps, and I've been trying to point out to people that if what info I've given isn't good enough for them, then they should go to Conrad directly.

Tboy hasn't said that this site is only restricted to Sunn topics, and since you're not the forum police, I shouldn't have to justify anything I say or don't say to you or anyone else. The fact that you seem to be the only one with an issue about me answering a question indicates to me that you are the one with a problem. I apologize again for the personal attacks, but such things happen when you're the victim of unwarranted comments that call into question your motives when you're just trying to help someone get more info about a product that you know something about.

I'm sure Conrad doesn't try to promote his products here because it can be seen as unseemly to do so on a public forum. Just for the record, he hasn't asked me to promote them either, and I wouldn't do that anyway unless I was his employee, and I wouldn't do so here as I feel there are better ways to advertise a product than in a public forum. If I was really trying to promote his products, do you think I would tell people that only they can make a decision about if they like it or not, or come out with negative things to say about it, or bring up other brands, or wouldn't I give his site address or phone number to try to raise awareness about it? I notice you haven't apologized for your part in calling my motives into question, but knowing you, I doubt that you will and I'm not expecting anything on that account.

I'm hopeful that Conrad will get his site updated soon with current info and clips about the amp so people can get their curiosity satisfied at the source.

Greg

[Isaac]

Now if we could only get Isaac to come to the jam and bring his Sunn 200S and cabinet again!

Greg

That's not impossible, though not everyone was as pleased as you were to see the 200S. IIRC, at least one player said it might be all right for rock, but it wasn't any good for blues. Someone else - owner, jam master? - said it was too big, and he provided the amps, anyway.

[Soundmasterg]

Yah, the owner said that because he thought we were bringing it in for guitar use at first. He doesn't provide the amps either anyway....he just doesn't want too much volume, and I don't blame him either. I didn't know that one of the bass players said the rock/blues thing about it though. I wonder who it was? I've brought my 200S with my 1x15 cabinet in there for people to play and never heard any comments like that before about it. My cabinet now has the JBL E140 and a couple 5 inch tweeters that Conrad voiced for me with a crossover network. It sounds a lot more balanced now.

It would be cool if you could make it again, but no guarantee about anyone besides you trying it out. Many of the players there are conservative and only want to play what they know, which is Marco's solid state B-100R Ampeg. THats a lot of cabinet to go hauling around, especially sinc eyou have to drive a bit farther than I do to get there, but if you want to do it, let me know and I can see if I can find some players who want to try it the week before so it won't be a wasted trip for you. I won't be there the first couple weeks in July though.

Greg

[JoeArthur]

Greg,

If I owe you any apology, it would be for letting you continue to believe, as I did in my second post, that my hype call was related to your comments concerning Conrad's amp. It wasn't - and it never was. I did warn you in that same post... but it is really not my problem what you decide to ignore.

EdBass gave you some good advice. You decided to ignore it as well. He used the term "pandering" - I don't think that is exactly right, but I admit I don't have anything better.

Maybe you could help - give me a term that for someone that "name drops" and tries to associate themselves with those names so that they appear more important than what they really are?

Let me state it plainly: the only hype you have presented in this thread was about you. Starting with your first post.

You do not owe me an apology for your personal attack on me. First of all, your delusions are your own.

And second, it is my proof - a person does not attack the integrity of another over a disagreement with a piece of equipment - a person only attacks another when they believe their "ego" is at stake. Thank you for your help.

And I also thank you for clearing up that Conrad has nothing to do with your actions. I believe him to be a person of integrity and I would be very disappointed in finding out you were acting as his shill with his permission.

But please, feel free to slam me some more. I have had a lot of emails asking why I continue to let you get away with it. My answer is simple - I want you to produce a product. After all Greg - would you buy something from someone that responds like you do?

Bottom line: My hype call remains.

[Isaac]

Good point Issac! Without Mr. Sundholm this site wouldn't exist.
Now, be nice to me or I'll recalculate your impedance.

In series or parallel?

And it's one s, two a's!

[Soundmasterg]

Joe,

In re-reading your second post, it still sounds to me that you're talking about Conrad's amp as the comment about pricing vs content seems to indicate that. I'm not trying to ignore anything so maybe you weren't clear enough about what you were talking about, or maybe I'm slow in reading through the lines about what you are saying. If it helps to clear up matters, then feel free to email me directly with anything you don't wish to say in a public forum and we can get to the bottom of what the misunderstanding is between us.

It seems to me that you are accusing me of trying to insinuate that I was involved in the design of Conrad's amp and you don't believe that to be the case? Please correct me if I'm wrong on that account? What happens behind the scenes isn't something that you would have any way of knowing unless it was made public, and what contribution that I had in the development of that amp or any other isn't really something that needs to be public anyway, unless it served some purpose for Conrad. I can spell out exactly what my involvement was and was not if it makes anyone feel better, but whether I do or not shouldn't make any difference as far as if you treat me with respect on this board or any other. I don't go around sarcastically calling into question the things you say or accusing you of lying, however circumspect it might be, and I would appreciate you not doing that to me, especially when you have no idea what you are talking about. Regardless, all of this might be entertaining to some, but for me it is a complete waste of time as I'd rather concentrate on stuff that matters. Somehow you appear to have this impression of me that is completely wrong, and that isn't something that sits well with me as I don't try to make anyone not like me or the things I say, but I can only control so much, and the medium we are communicating in often has disagreements that can be attributed to the lack of visual cues as to what someone is saying or meaning. It would make me very happy to get whatever disagreement we have cleared up on this issue so that we can leave this behind us and concentrate on more important things. I feel that however unintentional it may be on all the parties involved, this could somehow tarnish Conrad's reputation or that of his amps, and I don't want that to happen at all. You're right about Conrad in that he is a man of integrity, as am I, but apparently somehow I've left the impression with you that I am not. Do you really think that Conrad would consider me a friend if I wasn't?

But please, feel free to slam me some more. I have had a lot of emails asking why I continue to let you get away with it. My answer is simple - I want you to produce a product. After all Greg - would you buy something from someone that responds like you do?

I'm not trying to slam anyone Joe. I don't care who it is, or how high and mighty they consider themselves, but when someone is attacked however indirectly, or has their motives called into question, or is accused of lying or misrepresenting themselves, their first reaction will usually be to respond in kind. I am still not really sure if I precisely know what you're talking about as you put it, but oh well. I feel that eventually this will get resolved so that we can move on to more important things.

Greg

[EdBass]

That's not impossible, though not everyone was as pleased as you were to see the 200S. IIRC, at least one player said it might be all right for rock, but it wasn't any good for blues. Someone else - owner, jam master? - said it was too big, and he provided the amps, anyway.

If that's the prevailing opinion, you would probably be happier jamming with other people anyway! The last time I took a 200S rig to a blues jam, every old school blues bass player asked if they could use it.

I've heard stories about super potent smoke in the Pacific Northwest, but always chalked it up to urban legend.

[Isaac]

I'm not a smoker, myself, but yeah, I hear it's pretty potent.

[Isaac]

Seriously, it was probably just one guy, and he probably wanted something with less in the way of highs. Some of those guys just want muddy thump.

[Soundmasterg]

I think I may know who it was. There is a guy with dreads who does too much of that potent smoke you were talking about and he likes to play lead bass all the time, plays an active bass,  and likes solid state only. Theres another guy who is bald and probably under 40 who is very picky too. Most of the rest down there like old school tube bass sounds though.