Yep I agree with you guys....I have a 1968-69 Sceptre that is nearly mint, and it came with a 4x12 Sunn setup, with the footpedal too. It sounds like any other $3000.00 amp (played through melted butter), but is tremendously loud and clear, hard to distort, and rather reliable. I haven't gigged it but I plan to do so. Just afraid to get it damaged or stolen. It costs $135.00 to get the head retubed.