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Offline siamesetwins

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2x15 vs. 6x10?
« on: February 03, 2010, 12:00:40 pm »
Which do you guys think is a better deal: a loaded Sunn Beta 2x15 for $150, speakers in fine working order, or a loaded Sunn 6x10 for $200 with three working speakers and three non-working ones? Leaning toward the 2x15, but I've had my eye on a 6x10...

I'd be playing a silverface Concert bass and an Acoustic 230 through them.
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Offline mckinnon audio

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Re: 2x15 vs. 6x10?
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2010, 12:35:03 pm »
  Hi there,if it was me,for that price,I'd buy them both,but I'm a bit of a gear pig,Mel.

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Re: 2x15 vs. 6x10?
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2010, 12:41:47 pm »
They're each located 3-4 hours away from me, in opposite directions... otherwise I'd consider picking them both up.
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Offline Addam

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Re: 2x15 vs. 6x10?
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2010, 12:50:11 pm »
2x15 just because it's working already. 

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Re: 2x15 vs. 6x10?
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2010, 12:51:20 pm »
The 215 sounds like a better deal - no speakers to rebuild. Plus it'll sound even better once you plug it in and start playing!
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Offline Dean_Christian

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Re: 2x15 vs. 6x10?
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2010, 03:41:42 pm »
Extremely interesting posting.  Actually there is no correct answer because it depends on what you are playing and where you intend to play it at.

A true bass purist and snob, actually think playing a bass with 10's takes away from the bass line.  Heresy these days because the Ampeg 8x10 for some reason has become the industry standard.  Couldn't think of a worse way to play a 10 inch speaker either, because they are closed port and you have to drive them with wattage.  That is not how a Sunn should be played, because "in the day" 100 watts and a front ported cabinet was a bad ass rig.

Because there are two ways to create and maximize sound using a speaker.  First, making sound with a speaker (or as Sunn appropriately puts it, a transducer) involves converting an electrical signal to a mecahanical device (i.e., speaker)that moves air.  There are two ways to move more air, make the wave as big as you can by adding more paper (or, by using a "ported cabinet doubles the sound because it develops the speaker pressure wave from the front and back of the speaker), or "drive" the speaker with higher wattage to force more air to move faster (kinda).  And, conversely, if you ram 1000 watts through a Sunn cabinet intended for 200 - 300 tops, the speaker has no resistance to the force of travel, thereby blowing your perfectly good paper speaker all over the room.

So which one?  And does the 10's or the 15's sound better?  Again, goes back to how and what you want to play.  And they do sound different.  I had Ampeg 8x10, hated it and practically gave it away.  I use 215B Sunn cabinets and I love them.  There is nothing like a 15 when it is moving air from my EV SROs (yes I am old school) at 27 Hz and the cabinet doesn't sound like a mud pump sucking slime out of a pit either.  15's (in my HUMBLE opinion) are the choice for bass because they have a lot of presence because they are so low.




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Re: 2x15 vs. 6x10?
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2010, 04:19:20 pm »
The Sunn 10 inch speakers don't work well for Bass guitar unless you add a 2x15 or 1x18 to pump out the bottom octave.

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Re: 2x15 vs. 6x10?
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2010, 12:29:17 pm »
If its a 610L its probably going to be a lot brighter then your looking for. I would go with the 215, Im looking for one myself right now.
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Re: 2x15 vs. 6x10?
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2010, 03:50:10 pm »
Regarding DC's comments above about the Ampeg SVT-810E, I used to feel that way myself. I got one a few years ago at a good price, played it awhile and thought gee I don't see what all the fuss is about.  Didn't like the tone, bulk, the fact it was not a Sunn cabinet, etc.

Then I began playing with some guys who liked to play REALLY loud and I had to crank it up. That's when my opinion of the 810 completely changed.  At high volume it sounds great, moves air, the whole nine yards.  But I soon realized I don't like playing that loud (any more), or hauling around a 165-pound beast, so sold it along with the SVT-CL head. (And got away from the guys who liked to play so loud.) I should add that it the 810 also sounded good with my Coliseum 880 head.

For younger guys who like the thin modern bass sound it works well, too, which I think is another reason you see them so much.

At more reasonable volume levels, my various Sunn 15" cabinets are just what I need.  :-)
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Re: 2x15 vs. 6x10?
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2010, 10:05:59 pm »
The Sunn 10 inch speakers don't work well for Bass guitar unless you add a 2x15 or 1x18 to pump out the bottom octave.

I've never had much luck with 10" or 12" Sunn speakers for bass. I believe they were intended for guitar from day one.

Offline siamesetwins

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Re: 2x15 vs. 6x10?
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2010, 11:03:51 pm »
Thanks for the advice dudes!
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Offline grimniggzy

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Re: 2x15 vs. 6x10?
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2010, 08:33:36 am »
check out what you can sound like with SS heads and 15's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cniwPE5XZGQ

Sunn 10's will sound like doodoo for bass
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Re: 2x15 vs. 6x10?
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2010, 09:07:42 pm »
Of topic, but when I saw Weedeater a while ago it was terrible.  Most boring stoner rock I have heard.  Maybe it was a bad night though because their guitar player "broke" his guitar and to fix it he messed with his amp for about 10 minutes before just getting a new guitar out which solved the problem.  Re-rail.

What's the status on the OP?  What did you end up getting/plan on getting?

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Re: 2x15 vs. 6x10?
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2010, 03:58:37 pm »
Making arrangements to purchase the 215.

It's got no name plate, though... anyone have an extra one they'd be willing to sell me?
Sunn Concert Bass w/ 215B
Acoustic 271
Early '70s V4
'79 Kramer DMZ 4001
'89 Les Paul Studio