412L Too Bassy?

[george]

Adding insulation (damping material) to the cabinet will increase the "enclosed volume" that the loudspeaker(s) "sees". This will probably "improve" low end response. I'm wondering if you all are hearing the cabinet vibrate due to the enclosed sound pressure - this cabinet vibration is caused by the speaker’s mechanical "reaction" with its baffle, the intensity of the sound pressure in the cabinet, etc. Bracing inside the cabinet and the density of the cabinet material will help dampen the cabinet's ability to vibrate. Lifting the cabinet off the floor is also a clue that you are coupling some type of vibration (into the floor?). If you have a concrete slab floor vs a wooden (subflooring) you will also notice a difference in the response of the system = cabinet AND the room.

I'm also assuming that the amplifer's EQ is flat and you are just listening to the acoustic response of the loudspeaker system.

[stanner]

to me trying to get 'less bass' from a big ass 4X12 is like trying to remove the SUNN from the sky. i gott all my Sunn cabinets to magnify and amplify those 55 hz rattles and rumbles.

[Walt-Dogg]

I got it taken care of. Thanks everyone.

[xsolarusx]

I got it taken care of. Thanks everyone.

What did you do?  I'm interested, should I ever need to roll off some low-end.

[Walt-Dogg]

Put the cab on casters and got a Proco Rat (to replace my Tube Screamer). The Rat rules because of the tone filter, you filter out some of the bass in the signal going to the amp and have the amp's bass rolled back a bit (or not at all) and it becomes clearer and less bassy.

[foxfire]

i can't think of a better pedal/amp combo than a rat fed sunn. i bet the designer of the rat used a sunn to test the prototypes...

[Walt-Dogg]

@ foxfire: +1 to you, I can't agree more! When you're going for a rock distortion with a Sunn, a Rat is the way to go. That Turbo Tube Screamer I was using was just not that great, the tone control was useless and with being able to choose between settings (TS9, +, Hot, Turbo) it was way too hard to find a sweet spot with the pedal.

[biltmore]

My '83 ProCo RAT sounds great with every Sunn that I've owned. I really do think that the RAT is the king of distortion pedals.

[John Matrix]

been interested in getting a rat myself. Seems like there are few variations, can anyone give me a rundown on the differences?

[stanner]

My '83 ProCo RAT sounds great with every Sunn that I've owned. I really do think that the RAT is the king of distortion pedals.

>CONCUR<

[biltmore]

Seems like there are few variations, can anyone give me a rundown on the differences?

This is pretty much the only page out there that gives thorough descriptions of all the RAT pedals:

http://www.happybob.com/rstrand/rat/rat_versions.htm

To me, the best RAT's are the ones made before 1987 with the original circuit / LM308 IC.

[foxfire]

@ foxfire: +1 to you, I can't agree more! When you're going for a rock distortion with a Sunn, a Rat is the way to go. That Turbo Tube Screamer I was using was just not that great, the tone control was useless and with being able to choose between settings (TS9, +, Hot, Turbo) it was way too hard to find a sweet spot with the pedal.

i just built myself a double rat pedal. i figured that the only thing better than 1 rat is 2 rats...

[Walt-Dogg]

Hahahah oh god. My band played a show tonight. Lord did I sound like crap and only was it my frantic playing the tone I got out of my rig sucked. Too deep...

[Walt-Dogg]

So unless anyone has some good suggestions for a good hard rock tone with a Rat and a Concert Lead for a 412L, the 412L is getting the boot.