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Offline george

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Noisy Coliseum 300
« on: January 01, 2012, 03:08:56 am »
I brought this amp back from being "air locked" but it seems to be very noisy. Not the 60/120 Hz kind of noise but more "white" or 1/f noise associated with semiconductors or resistors. All the active devices were replaced on the pre-amp board along with adding sockets. Power amp board also has new active devices as well. I haven't really been able to isolate the noise from either preamp or power amp since the power amp out is located before the CMOS limiter section and the preamp out "sounds" okay - hard to hear over the fan noise. Were these old (80's) Sunn amps just noisy? Any 300 owners want to comment on the idle noise level of their amp?

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Re: Noisy Coliseum 300
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2012, 12:16:55 pm »
What does "air locked" mean?

As for the noise, I wonder if it could be related to the sockets.
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Re: Noisy Coliseum 300
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2012, 01:59:22 am »
air locked = jettisoned from space craft as junk :wink:


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Re: Noisy Coliseum 300
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2012, 10:47:17 am »
Sure. You have a Coliseum that has been into space.

Now, would you please tell me what you really mean?
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Re: Noisy Coliseum 300
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2012, 01:20:08 pm »
Sure. You have a Coliseum that has been into space.

Now, would you please tell me what you really mean?

Hmmm... I wonder if that adds to its value?

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Re: Noisy Coliseum 300
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2012, 01:14:15 pm »
The amp was written off as a lost cause due to the failure of the +15 supply. If you have ever worked on one of these amps there are over 20 ICs on the preamp board - "several" were damaged by the supply failure. The output level of the amplifier is up to original specs now - I think it sounds a bit noisy though.

Offline Rex B

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Re: Noisy Coliseum 300
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2012, 12:46:22 pm »
The amp is not "noisy" from a spec point of view, but it can be noisy if the gain settings aren't set properly to match the guitar. When we designed this, we did alot of analysis of active and passive bass pickups, especially transients that are produced while slapping and popping, which was becoming a more popular style of the era. Slapping and popping, especially with active pickups, has huge transients that would overload the preamp section of most bass amps of the day. So, we designed a huge adjustment range for the input gain section, plus added the compressor to help handle this.

My suggestion is to set your bass guitar volume(s) as high you will would normally use, and play as aggressively as think you ever will, then adjust the input gain pot until the overload LED barely flashes.  Then turn the input gain down just a touch, so the overload LED doesn't, or rarely flashes.  (If I remember correctly) The overload LED has 2 detection points, one right after the input gain, and one after the tone controls. If either overloads, the LED will trigger. So, if you boost the tone controls (especially lower frequencies), you may trigger the overload, in which case you should back off the input gain until the LED stops flashing. It's actually very much like running a PA mixer channel, where you have an input gain, or "trim" setting with a "peak" LED, and a channel fader for the output..

The key is to adjust the input gain and preamp for the highest signal you can get without overloading, then adjust the master volume for the playing level you desire. This will keep the amp running at the lowest noise level.

Hope this helps.

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